Skierg technique and muscles used..

[hjs]

According to this guy, you predominantly feel it in your legs if doing it correctly. Just sayin’. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLE3Od5hOQ

He has no clue at all. Does not use the machine himself, it a rower with an untrained upperbody, pushing wise.

If this was true, with rowing you should feel it mostly in the abs, triceps and shoulders, cause they do the recovery and not legs, back and lats cause they “only” do the direct stroke.

So you’re saying a SkiErg COACH who works for Concept 2 and is a Nordic skiier has no clue at all? You’re really funny.

Based on what he shows and says yes. You can do a kind of course and be a coach but that does not perse make you an expert.
Most Pt s in gyms have all kind of training, but are often pretty clueless.
I do have a few Wr on the skierg so think I know a bit about how it can be used. But ofcourse you are free to fully ignore anything I say.

Nordic ski is ofcourse very legdependent, certainly with the skate stroke, but thats just what CAN,T do on the skierg. Its not for nothing that the WR on this machine are not set by Nordic skiers, but indoor people. On the row erg thats, apart from the sprints, the other way around. Otw rowers have the records, because the rower much more mimics an otw stroke. Everything you need on the water you also can use on the machine.

[hjs]

Just did a sort of test. 60 min TT rate restricted, 32, drag 106. And focussed on which parts of the body gave in most. Ofcourse just a n=1 test, nothing more.

Its very much the midback that takes the beating, and afterwards the biceps also felt used.

Triceps no problem, lats no problem, legs ofcourse feel worked but nothing more. Lowerback/glutes, which recover the goodmorning part, also fine.

Rate 32 is ofcourse relative low, a higher rate will be a bit different. Free rate, for me, would be more 36/38.

[kini62]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94R5CmIt7QM

Here is Jason Marshall doing a sub6 2k. He is by far the best skierger overall. Fast from 500 to the full Marathon, has most overall Wr s. So he must do things pretty ok.

Dang he's strong. That's a pretty slow rate for 1:29 pace.

As to form he's using a more "crossfit" style that would not translate well to actual skiing.

And I'll say again and agree with you that the legs contribute next to nothing in regards to power. They're just an anchor much like the forearms and hands are on the rower. I suppose if you did 40-50 1/4 squats a minute you would feel something but certainly not much.

[NoWatts]

Would be interesting to ask him about his opinion, btw he has an new instagramaccount: nxt.lvl.athlete

Henry, very nice 239W r32 pb 60mins.

[johnlvs2run]

Nooo, that’s not me .This guy’s steadystate is my maxpull .

Do you happen to know his name and best times?
I think this is the same guy, but I don't understand what he's saying.
It's apparently about triceps extension when XC skiing, which he doesn't utilize with the Skierg.

[hjs]

Would be interesting to ask him about his opinion, btw he has an new instagramaccount: nxt.lvl.athlete

Henry, very nice 239W r32 pb 60mins.

Thx, but no pb. Maybe later in the year.

Don,t know how he feels about training, but his concept logbook is open, so those sessions are to be seen. Could be that does other things next to that. His training on the concepts is not special at all. Nothing crazy, no high volume or anything. I even think he could be faster if he really trained like say a full time olympian.

[mict450]

Its very much the midback that takes the beating, and afterwards the biceps also felt used.

Triceps no problem, lats no problem, legs ofcourse feel worked but nothing more. Lowerback/glutes, which recover the goodmorning part

Interesting observation. One would expect the opposite to occur, as the triceps & lats bear the brunt during the drive. The midback possibly due to the stabilizing force to keep the thoracic spine in alignment. The biceps to control the eccentric movement of the recovery back to the catch position. Makes a good point to use a variety of styles to emphasize different parts of the body & not just confine one's training to double poling. Thoroughly interesting & thought provoking thread.

[hjs]

Its very much the midback that takes the beating, and afterwards the biceps also felt used.

Triceps no problem, lats no problem, legs ofcourse feel worked but nothing more. Lowerback/glutes, which recover the goodmorning part

Interesting observation. One would expect the opposite to occur, as the triceps & lats bear the brunt during the drive. The midback possibly due to the stabilizing force to keep the thoracic spine in alignment. The biceps to control the eccentric movement of the recovery back to the catch position. Makes a good point to use a variety of styles to emphasize different parts of the body & not just confine one's training to double poling. Thoroughly interesting & thought provoking thread.

Think its also a matter of ones relative strongpoints. Best is ofcourse to have non, and be equally strong, but think that is rare.

Re triceps, those absolutely work hard, but in a static position. Midback I have noticed before, they way I stroke that part gets worked hard. Triceps never give in.

Re different strokes. I normally skierg, rowerg and go to the gym. Atm only skierg. My rower needs a fix and gyms are closed now due to Corona. So I do get more overall training, when things are normal.

2 Other points I did notice.

First posture, for me the rower is not a good thing for my posture, the whole shoulder/upperback tends to round a bit and gets stretched when I row. The skierg tend to remedy that.

Second, I don’t do any weight training Atm, apart from a rare pushup, but my arms and also chest have not changed. I would have thought those would changed. But no same seize.

Also my legs have not shrunk. Now its not very long that I haven’t done weights, but still a few months. So I dare to say, the skierg is a good allround machine. I do use a relative low strokerate, also a not very high drag. Around 105 often.

When I visit the gym again, I can see how my strenght has changed. Interesting test...

[kini62]

Its very much the midback that takes the beating, and afterwards the biceps also felt used.

Triceps no problem, lats no problem, legs ofcourse feel worked but nothing more. Lowerback/glutes, which recover the goodmorning part

Interesting observation. One would expect the opposite to occur, as the triceps & lats bear the brunt during the drive. The midback possibly due to the stabilizing force to keep the thoracic spine in alignment. The biceps to control the eccentric movement of the recovery back to the catch position. Makes a good point to use a variety of styles to emphasize different parts of the body & not just confine one's training to double poling. Thoroughly interesting & thought provoking thread.

IMO/IME the brunt of the drive is done with the core- hip flexors, abs and chest. The lats and triceps come in at the middle (lats) to end (triceps).

[autumn_darkness]

Sorry for not responding earlier, but we just had the most amazing summer ever here in Norway and I couldn't waste my time online.. I mean the weather here in Norway is more or less always between 'really sucks' and 'really f#¤"%#"ing cold', but now it has been like 'excellent'

After spending more time on the skierg i find i find im now working my arms. I think hjs was spot on, i was just too weak.. I can now do 20 min on level 5 and i start too feel strong for it (blush).

The thing wich really turned it around for me though, was the comment 'dont squat, prepare for a punch in the stomach' wich immidiatly changed my posutre from bad to good.

Thanks for all the replies guys!

All love!