Calling "On-Snow" Skiers and Rollerskiers

[dcpattie]

I started on the SkiErg (2014 updated version) and have started to incorporate some classic rollerskiing to my program. One problem I have with the skierg is the arm extension/grip release technique used by Nordic skiers on the snow. I find the last 5% of the double poling movement on the skierg feels confined - not allowing for a good extension. Perhaps this is do to the fact that you are stationary? Conversely, on the rollerskis, I find myself gripping the ski handle tight throughout the stroke - likely because of the bad habit learned on the skierg.

Any advice on how to have a better handle release recovery on rollerskis?

[roger.homyer]

It is a good idea to release the pole grip toward the end of a poling stroke to:

1. Give additional impetus to the last phase of poling, and
2. Allow your wrist joint to lubricate itself (with synovial fluid) and prevent injury (especially tenosynovitis).

Your RS pole loops need to be quite tight so that you can let go of the pole and still control their position. This is much easier if you use a wrist strap rather than a simple loop.

Poling technique is variable according to speed. At slower speeds, or when accelerating, the poling action should finish at around your hips. The aim being to increase tempo. It is only when you are really flying along that you would pole through with full extension.

[alesb]

As an experienced cross-country skier (many times Marcialonga and Vasaloppet)...and an orthopaedic surgeon I strongly disagree with the reply about "lubricating joints". When I skied my first Marcialonga (70 km most double poling)I did it the "Classic way" with opening the fingers and letting the poles go....I got tenosynovitis in the extensor tendons and transient carpal tunnnel syndrome for 2 weeks because of flexor tendon synovitis. The double poling and even skate has changed a lot in the past 10 years.You should you your bodyweight and your abdominals/back and not your arms. The arms can t handle 90km doublepoling with 25km/h, juo will also get tennis and/or golfer elbow problems DP with arms only. Lean forward( elastic band on videos helps a lot !) on the poles(skierg) and transmit your bodyweight to some watts energy !

Except in the alternate v2 and very fast speed downhill double polling and diagonal stride where arm pendulum is long, there is no more "opening" of the hands anymore. Search youtube for Ski Classics and see for yourself or look at some elite skiers below:

The best video technique is maybe the one from Johan Olsson at 2:00sec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIK-XrbWG4

Jörgen Brink sprint: http://erikwickstrom.se/2014/10/31/jorg ... er-skierg/) or

Jörgen Brink distance training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrxlSoPyO0).


These guys can do 5000m on the skierg in 17.28 !!! Its incredible ! The arms can take just one minute at almost 330-400w.

I hope this helped.

[btlnorway]

17:28 at 5000m must be an easy run for the top guys?
Jonas Nilsen from Norway (nr 30 at Vasaloppet) did 16:15 at 5000m in Skierg 2015-seasson. Jörgen Brink is a 3 time Vasaloppet vinner, so he should be very close to this time I guess

[dcpattie]

As an experienced cross-country skier (many times Marcialonga and Vasaloppet)...and an orthopaedic surgeon I strongly disagree with the reply about "lubricating joints". When I skied my first Marcialonga (70 km most double poling)I did it the "Classic way" with opening the fingers and letting the poles go....I got tenosynovitis in the extensor tendons and transient carpal tunnnel syndrome for 2 weeks because of flexor tendon synovitis. The double poling and even skate has changed a lot in the past 10 years.You should you your bodyweight and your abdominals/back and not your arms. The arms can t handle 90km doublepoling with 25km/h, juo will also get tennis and/or golfer elbow problems DP with arms only. Lean forward( elastic band on videos helps a lot !) on the poles(skierg) and transmit your bodyweight to some watts energy !

Except in the alternate v2 and very fast speed downhill double polling and diagonal stride where arm pendulum is long, there is no more "opening" of the hands anymore. Search youtube for Ski Classics and see for yourself or look at some elite skiers below:

The best video technique is maybe the one from Johan Olsson at 2:00sec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMIK-XrbWG4

Jörgen Brink sprint: http://erikwickstrom.se/2014/10/31/jorg ... er-skierg/) or

Jörgen Brink distance training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrxlSoPyO0).


These guys can do 5000m on the skierg in 17.28 !!! Its incredible ! The arms can take just one minute at almost 330-400w.

I hope this helped.

Thanks for the links. You can see two very different techniques from the videos. Olsson appears to be concentrating almost exclusively on the pole planting porting of the drive phase - hardly any triceps extension. Whereas Brink (during his distance workout) works through the entire drive phase with good arm extension. Maybe Olsson sees the greatest skierg benefit from early poling power and perhaps he feels this focus allows for a more applicable (and realistic) double poling rate? Unfortunately for me, I don't speak Swedish and therefore have no clue what he is saying in the video.