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Things we should never argue with ranger about:
1. His weight:
a. Ranger will always claim that his weight is "fine", we should never challenge him to tell us what he weighs first thing in the morning prior to performing any excercise.
b. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine", he will make various assertions that his weight loss is "right on track". We must never challange him to provide evidence of his caloric intake vs caloric expenditure to substantiate such claim.
c. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine" at all points during the year, that he is "at weight" month's prior to competitions, and it is "impossible" for him to gain weight given his astounding daily athletic endeavors, ranger will experience troubles making weight at the first couple races every year. We must never bring this up, nor remind him of his previous assertions that everything was perfect just prior to this situation being encountered.

2. His predicted performances
Ranger will always claim he is the best erger in the history of sport, and will always claim that he will break world records multiple times during the upcoming racing season.
a. We must never challenge him to provide any quantifiable data from recent training sessions to substantiate such claims
b. We must never point out that he has made these claims, every year, and the previous years results have never even come close to the pre-race predictions.

3. His peculiar training objectives
a. Ranger will repeatedly state that "racing results are pre-determined from training", but never-ever-ever report his training in any sort of quantifiable way. We must never challenge him on the fact that he never reports the time it takes to cover any particular distance (except at races, where it's unavoidable).
b. Ranger will forever seek to find some "unique" aspect of the activity of erging, where he believes he excels. That current aspect is the ability to row at one of these SPM/pace combinations for short periods of time
20SPM - 1:50/500m
22SPM - 1:47/500m
24SPM - 1:44/500m
26SPM - 1:41/500m
28SPM - 1:38/500m
30SPM - 1:36/500m
we must never point out what seems obvious to us, that any person on the forum could do such a thing.


I think ranger is caught in some kind of "ground-hog day" mental time warp, where every year, he does the same thing, yet expects different results.. For some reason, I cant stop trying to figure the guy out, and I cant stop contributing to these retarded threads

chgoss wrote:b. Ranger will forever seek to find some "unique" aspect of the activity of erging, where he believes he excels. That current aspect is the ability to row at one of these SPM/pace combinations for short periods of time
20SPM - 1:50/500m
22SPM - 1:47/500m
24SPM - 1:44/500m
26SPM - 1:41/500m
28SPM - 1:38/500m
30SPM - 1:36/500m
we must never point out what seems obvious to us, that any person on the forum could do such a thing.

Nah.

If we are taking about short periods of time, I did 1Kr24 in 1:38 and 500r30 in 1:30 (and posted the screen shots).

No 55s lwt can come within six seconds per 500m of these times.

ranger

chgoss wrote:1. His weight:
a. Ranger will always claim that his weight is "fine", we should never challenge him to tell us what he weighs first thing in the morning prior to performing any excercise.
b. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine", he will make various assertions that his weight loss is "right on track". We must never challange him to provide evidence of his caloric intake vs caloric expenditure to substantiate such claim.
c. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine" at all points during the year, that he is "at weight" month's prior to competitions, and it is "impossible" for him to gain weight given his astounding daily athletic endeavors, ranger will experience troubles making weight at the first couple races every year. We must never bring this up, nor remind him of his previous assertions that everything was perfect just prior to this situation being encountered.

Sure, all heavy lightweights have trouble making weight.

But, as it turns out, I made weight at every venue I went to last year.

I never failed a weigh-in.

Last year, I had to work _very_ hard to do this, though. From October to January, I had to lose 25 lbs.

This year, I am 25 lbs. lighter.

I don't have to lose any weight at all this fall and winter to be where I was last year in January.

ranger

chgoss wrote:2. His predicted performances
Ranger will always claim he is the best erger in the history of sport, and will always claim that he will break world records multiple times during the upcoming racing season.
a. We must never challenge him to provide any quantifiable data from recent training sessions to substantiate such claims
b. We must never point out that he has made these claims, every year, and the previous years results have never even come close to the pre-race predictions.

Break world records?

Been there, done that.

Once I am fully trained, hopefully this winter, I will have no interest in rowing 6:38 for 2K, the 55s lwt WR.

I have already done a lwt 6:28--when I was a novice back in 2003 and didn't even know how to row.

I pulled 6:29 in 2006, without any distance rowing or sharpening.

When I am fully trained this year, my target now that I know how to row is 6:16.

ranger

ranger wrote:

chgoss wrote:1. His weight:
a. Ranger will always claim that his weight is "fine", we should never challenge him to tell us what he weighs first thing in the morning prior to performing any excercise.
b. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine", he will make various assertions that his weight loss is "right on track". We must never challange him to provide evidence of his caloric intake vs caloric expenditure to substantiate such claim.
c. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine" at all points during the year, that he is "at weight" month's prior to competitions, and it is "impossible" for him to gain weight given his astounding daily athletic endeavors, ranger will experience troubles making weight at the first couple races every year. We must never bring this up, nor remind him of his previous assertions that everything was perfect just prior to this situation being encountered.

Sure, all heavy lightweights have trouble making weight.

But, as it turns out, I made weight at every venue I went to last year.

I never failed a weigh-in.

Deliberate mis-direction.

1. How many venues did you attend last year?

2. How many events/weigh-ins have you avoided knowing that you wouldn't make lwt?

snowleopard wrote:

ranger wrote:

chgoss wrote:1. His weight:
a. Ranger will always claim that his weight is "fine", we should never challenge him to tell us what he weighs first thing in the morning prior to performing any excercise.
b. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine", he will make various assertions that his weight loss is "right on track". We must never challange him to provide evidence of his caloric intake vs caloric expenditure to substantiate such claim.
c. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine" at all points during the year, that he is "at weight" month's prior to competitions, and it is "impossible" for him to gain weight given his astounding daily athletic endeavors, ranger will experience troubles making weight at the first couple races every year. We must never bring this up, nor remind him of his previous assertions that everything was perfect just prior to this situation being encountered.

Sure, all heavy lightweights have trouble making weight.

But, as it turns out, I made weight at every venue I went to last year.

I never failed a weigh-in.

Deliberate mis-direction.

1. How many venues did you attend last year?

2. How many events/weigh-ins have you avoided knowing that you wouldn't make lwt?

I made weight at all of the venues I went to.

I didn't avoid any venues at all.

I got to as many races as I could.

Each year, in the US, indoor races are only held for six weeks or so, from late January until early March.

I made five venues in those six weeks (Chicago, Cincinnati, Baltimore, St. Catharines, Toronto) and was on my way to a sixth (Boston), but I got hung up on the way by bad weather.

My immediate competition (Rocket Roy) only raced once (Boston).

In the week before Boston, I stood on the scales at 158 lbs.

My major competition (Rocket Roy) could not have raced as a lightweight for six weeks.

He was only at weight for a few days, right before he raced at Boston.

So what you claim about me was indeed true for my major competition, but not at all true for me.

ranger

chgoss wrote:any person on the forum could do such a thing.

Hmm.

Even though I didn't prepare for it (with hard distance rowing and sharpening), I had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year, just on the basis of my foundational training.

So, as it turns out, _no one_ on the forum (or elsewhere) "could do such a thing," even if they were fully trained.

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE
9 Chris Betenson 55 IRL 7:04.8 RACE
10 Daniel DEVEZ 55 FRA 7:05.1 RACE

ranger

ranger wrote:

snowleopard wrote:

ranger wrote: Sure, all heavy lightweights have trouble making weight.

But, as it turns out, I made weight at every venue I went to last year.

I never failed a weigh-in.

Deliberate mis-direction.

1. How many venues did you attend last year?

2. How many events/weigh-ins have you avoided knowing that you wouldn't make lwt?

I made weight at all of the venues I went to.

1. How many venues did you attend last year?

snowleopard wrote:How many venues did you attend last year?

I just told you: five.

I also qualified (three times over) and was given free round-trip plane tickets to WIRC/Boston, which would have been my sixth venue, but snow prevented my plane from taking off in Chicago and I couldn't get there.

My qualifying time for WIRC 2009/Boston was three seconds faster than the winning time in the 55s lwts.

Last year, my competition only raced once--and necessarily so.

Roy was only at weight a few days.

He has a much harder time making weight than I do.

I have raced about five times as many times as a lightweight as Roy.

Roy's just a fatty.

What's to say?



ranger

ranger wrote: I did 1Kr24 in 1:38 and 500r30 in 1:30 (and posted the screen shots).

- when did you do that?
- can you post the screenshot (and no claiming you cant be bothered to go and find it...)

chgoss wrote:

ranger wrote: I did 1Kr24 in 1:38 and 500r30 in 1:30 (and posted the screen shots).

- when did you do that?
- can you post the screenshot (and no claiming you cant be bothered to go and find it...)

Been there, done that.

You look for it, if you're interested.

500r30 @ 1:30 is 16 SPI.

1Kr24 @ 1:38 is 15.5 SPI

These trials at high stroking power just show the quality of my foundational work on technique and stroking power.

My distance trials, when I get around to them, will show results of similar quality.

For example, 60min @ 1:44, when I get it done, will be seven seconds per 500m better than any 55s lwt has been able to do, eight seconds per 500 better than any 60s lwt has done.

ranger

ranger wrote: I pulled 6:29 in 2006, without any distance rowing or sharpening.

You keep claiming that, but it isn't true. It was 6:29.7, and you convince no one except yourself with your claims of no distance rowing or sharpening. You were also a heavyweight. Later that same season, rowing as a lightweight, you did 7:04.3, though your "target" was to win the heavyweight race at WIRC (maybe even the heavyweight WR). You only missed by about half a minute, as I recall. <cue ridiculous argument from ranger about how he nearly accomplished it, and how it doesn't matter what weight he rows at, all the evidence to the contrary be damned>

When I am fully trained this year, my target now that I know how to row is 6:16.

You transposed the last two digits, though most people write that time as 7:01, not 6:61.

ranger wrote:

chgoss wrote:

ranger wrote: I did 1Kr24 in 1:38 and 500r30 in 1:30 (and posted the screen shots).

- when did you do that?
- can you post the screenshot (and no claiming you cant be bothered to go and find it...)

Been there, done that.

You look for it, if you're interested.

Look where?

ranger wrote:

chgoss wrote:1. His weight:
a. Ranger will always claim that his weight is "fine", we should never challenge him to tell us what he weighs first thing in the morning prior to performing any excercise.
b. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine", he will make various assertions that his weight loss is "right on track". We must never challange him to provide evidence of his caloric intake vs caloric expenditure to substantiate such claim.
c. Despite the fact that Rangers weight is "fine" at all points during the year, that he is "at weight" month's prior to competitions, and it is "impossible" for him to gain weight given his astounding daily athletic endeavors, ranger will experience troubles making weight at the first couple races every year. We must never bring this up, nor remind him of his previous assertions that everything was perfect just prior to this situation being encountered.

Last year, I had to work _very_ hard to do this, though. From October to January, I had to lose 25 lbs.

my point exactly

ranger wrote:

chgoss wrote:b. Ranger will forever seek to find some "unique" aspect of the activity of erging, where he believes he excels. That current aspect is the ability to row at one of these SPM/pace combinations for short periods of time
20SPM - 1:50/500m
22SPM - 1:47/500m
24SPM - 1:44/500m
26SPM - 1:41/500m
28SPM - 1:38/500m
30SPM - 1:36/500m
we must never point out what seems obvious to us, that any person on the forum could do such a thing.

Nah.

If we are taking about short periods of time, I did 1Kr24 in 1:38 and 500r30 in 1:30 (and posted the screen shots).

No 55s lwt can come within six seconds per 500m of these times.

ranger

You never posted times, nor screenshots of either. You did mention this:

ranger wrote:

snowleopard wrote: You seem a little confused. 8 x 500m r3:30 @ 1:34 is somewhat easier than 20 x 500m r~3:00 (paddle).

Yes, 8 x 500m @ 1:34 (3:30 rest) predicts 6:28.

Can I do it?

We'll soon see.

In the fall of 2003, I did 20 x 500m @ 1:36, paddle a 500m in between.

ranger

and before that you said this:

ranger wrote:I'll be doing 8 x 500m a couple of times a week from now on out until WIRC.

How fast will I do 500s?

Beats me.

I will start pretty easy (1:37?)--and build up to 1:31 (I hope!).

I'm not sure how this will turn out in terms of an exact schedule.

What happens depends on my body, not me.

And the body is a mysterious affair!

Clearly your body is not meant to handle any real rowing, old man! Post your times already! Weak! Cowardly! Those are the best words to define such a condition.

I guess that's what happens when you've never bothered to verify what you've done. All those claims! And still no proof!

Paul