6:28 2K

[ranger]

If I continue this training, I think I'll pull an at-home, 6:28 2K by the end of the month.

1:37 @ 34 spm (11.3 SPI).

Nice!

So, time to get to weight.

I weigh about 170 lbs. right now; so, I need to lose about five pounds to make weight.

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I only need to get to 12% fat to make weight, which isn't uncomfortable at all.

I am 14.5% fat now.

At 8% fat, I'll be 155 lbs., which is what I weighed when I was in college, 40 years ago.

I will want to weigh in for this trial.

No lightweight my age has ever come within ten seconds of 6:30, so this trial will be exciting.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42; I am a couple months shy of 59.

If I am successful with this trial, I will then be ready for a month or so of hard sharpening.

I usually get another dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

6:28 is my lwt pb.

ranger

[ausrwr]

You won't.

You've been promising "might" for as long as I can remember.

Instead of spamming the boards, perhaps report something concrete.

Not "working with", or "if" or that sort of thing. A distance. A time. A stroke rate. A weight. Maybe all four at once.

Good luck.

[ranger]

Instead of spamming the boards, perhaps report something concrete.

Well, even though I only did low rate rowing, largely, I "reported" the best 2K time in my age and weight division last year, albeit still three seconds off of the WR.

The point of racing is to try to win, to try to be the best, no?

How can you be better than the best?

This spring and summer, I did a lot of mid-rate, distance rowing and now I am even getting some high rate rowing done, so my 2K times should come down precipitously this year.

"Spamming"?

Hardly.

Time to wake up, dude.

I am one of the best (age-group) indoor rowers around.

I have three WR rows and have won all of the major championships, some more than once.

If I pull a lwt 6:28 at the end of the month, as I am approaching 59, I'll be the best age-group rower around.

That will break the 55s lwt WR by 10 seconds.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 by the end of the year, or even more impressively, next year, when I am 60, as I think I will, I will be the best ever.

That will break the 60s lwt WR by 26 seconds.

6:16 is a just a stroke or so off of Tom Kay's 30s British record of 6:14.6.

ranger

P.S. I pulled 6:29 in 2006, when I was 55, without even sharpening for it. I was still training at low rates, working out problems with technique.

[ranger]

Instead of spamming the boards, perhaps report something concrete.

Not "working with", or "if" or that sort of thing. A distance. A time. A stroke rate. A weight. Maybe all four at once.

This is a training forum, not a racing forum.

Excuse me for saying so, but good training doesn't have much at all to do with racing over and over, to show how slow you are.

It is much more a matter of "working with" your weaknesses, figuring out out to eliminate them so that you can be better.

Stay tuned.

You'll find out that I'm right.

ranger

[ranger]

You've been promising "might" for as long as I can remember.

Your short memory is no one's fault but your own.

Good training takes time.

Even though I was already the best, I have been learning some new things, trying to get better.

And in spite of this, my racing record, I think, has not been bad at all.

Over the last 7 years, between the age of 51 and 58, I have pulled 6:27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:35, 6:37, 6:41, 6:42, 6:43, etc., all at official race venues, many of them the biggest events (BIRC, WIRC, EIRC, etc.).

No one my size and age has anything like this string of 2k scores.

ranger

[Tinus]

I recommend this site:
http://www.my-diary.org/

[ranger]

I recommend this site:
http://www.my-diary.org/

Yes, much of this training forum is just an airing of our personal experiences with indoor rowing, no?

It is diary-like, but without all of the other stuff not related to rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

You won't.

Good luck.

So which one is it?

"Good luck."

or

"You won't."

Hard to have it both ways.

ranger

[sheehc]

For those of you who have met him; is ranger really barking mad or is this just an online persona? Good luck with that sub-6:20 thing, seriously, I'd love to see you do it. However I've also been reading/posting under one name or another since 2000 and you've been talking it up since then so I'm not particularly confident.

[ranger]

For those of you who have met him; is ranger really barking mad or is this just an online persona? Good luck with that sub-6:20 thing, seriously, I'd love to see you do it. However I've also been reading/posting under one name or another since 2000 and you've been talking it up since then so I'm not particularly confident.

You are confident that all significant accomplishments are done quickly, and with great certainty, moving directly from means to ends by well-established methods and with readily available materials?



You need to live a little more to find out what's really going on out there in the world.

ranger

[ranger]

For those of you who have met him; is ranger really barking mad or is this just an online persona? Good luck with that sub-6:20 thing, seriously, I'd love to see you do it. However I've also been reading/posting under one name or another since 2000 and you've been talking it up since then so I'm not particularly confident.

No, I haven't been talking up pulling 6:16 since 2000.

I didn't start rowing until 2000.

I didn't break the WR in my age and weight division on the erg until 2003.

I didn't start learning to row until 2004.

For instance, I didn't get in a boat until 2004.

I didn't really get a handle on how to row productively, leading with my legs, until 2006.

You can't really row anywhere very effectively and efficiently, if you don't lead with your legs.

I didn't get the hang of how to take the catch, and then my back and arms on the balls of my feet, with a finish with the legs inbetween on my heels until last year.

I didn't get the hang of how to keep the handle low and level on the drive until this year.

You can't go much of anywhere very fast in rowing if you don't have proper footwork (i.e., proper connections at the footplate).

The last time I did hard distance rowing and full sharpening, both of which are central for doing a quality 2K, was 2003.

I am just beginning to sharpen and do hard distance rowing now.

I would say that any sport takes at least five years or so to master and perform at the limits of your ability, especially for someone who is already 50 years old.

Most would claim a much longer period than that, I think.

You wouldn't?

Most elite rowers, I suspect, are in the sport for a decade or so before they do their best at it.

ranger

[sheehc]

I didn't break the WR in my age and weight division on the erg until 2003.

Ehh, perhaps the truly wild claims didn't start until later. There have been so many, the years are starting to blur.

Good luck with it.

[ranger]

perhaps the truly wild claims didn't start until later

I pulled 6:27.5 in my first race, even though I didn't know how to row (or train for rowing).

I don't think that hoping to get a dozen seconds from the five years of work I have put in learning how to row, and how to train to row, both on the water and off, is even unreasonable, much less "truly wild."

Five years of work, 20-30K a day, 50 million meters in all, to get 3 seconds per 500m from technique and proper training, from a baseline of 6:27.5, rowing like shit, improperly trained?

Entirely reasonable.

ranger

[Rocket Roy]

Still living in the past i see....

[Rocket Roy]

For those of you who have met him; is ranger really barking mad or is this just an online persona? Good luck with that sub-6:20 thing, seriously, I'd love to see you do it. However I've also been reading/posting under one name or another since 2000 and you've been talking it up since then so I'm not particularly confident.

No, he really is barking mad.