What is your record 2k, fitness, and weight?

[JohnFlynn]

As said before, I'm at 6:57 (1:44.2) weighing at 146lbs with a fitness of 18.6. Share your personal records!

[Snail Space]

fitness of 18.6

Where does this figure come from?
Which are consistent with fitness, higher or lower figures?

Cheers
Dave

[Jack S.]

Same questions about the fitness numbers.

As far as others, 7:40ish (howver I am cionfident I willl be sub 7:30 next time I try a 2K), 215ish 47yom.

[JohnFlynn]

A fitness ranking is something that seems to be relatively new. I dont know who came up with it, but its a formula which takes in your weight and how hard you pulled (in watts) and generates a number. It's purpose is to describe who will make the boat move the fastest. The harder you pull vs. your weight, the higher your fitness ranking will be. The higher your fitness ranking is, the faster your boat will usually move. Reason being is that when your in a boat, obviously, you weigh it down which makes it go slower. So your expected to make up for this, and the fitness ranking describes how well you do it. It's suprizingly accurate.
One thing to remember however, is that this formula does not have any variables for technique, which is a factor in boat speed. So a coach using this formula should still be aware of that.

I created an excel worksheet which can take your splits and give you an average, total time, and fitness ranking. Learn how to use it and its a powerful tool.
http://www.syberpsychos.com/Rowing_Spli ... ulator.xls

These are the general and most common kinds of fitness different athletes obtain.

EDIT: FITNESS RANKING VARIES WITH DIFFERENT PIECES (for example, your fitness ranking in a 4k is always expected to be lower than your fitness in a 2k)

on average for a 2k fitness(in MY estimation)...
Junior novice (age 14-16): 14.5 - 17.5
Junior Varsity (16-18): 18.0 - 19.8
Col legit: ~20.2+
Professional: ~23-25+

Formula

Watts/((Weight/2.2)^0.67)
Weight=weight in pounds (lbs)

Here is how you can find your watts if your erg doesnt tell you or you rowed on the water.

((M/T)^3)*2.8
Where M is your meters rowed and T is your time in seconds.

[TabbRows]

John,

Are watts based on average over x distance? Average over x strokes as in a max power test? or Anaerobic capacity tests, say 20 seconds?

Your "fitness" level is going to vary on what time or distance you're using to calculate average watts.

So if I can pull 100 meters in 20 seconds, 1:39, 361w, my fitness score would be 361/(79kg^0.67) = 19.31

But if my 2K best is 7:40 (230 w) then my fitness score is only 12.3.

And if my 1/2 marathon is 1:30 (2:07 pace/ 172w) my fitness score is only
9.20

Note these times are just about on the Paul's Law rule.

[JohnFlynn]

That was something I forgot to mention. your fitness ranking varies with different pieces (for example, your fitness ranking in a 4k is always expected to be lower than your fitness in a 2k).

I've only calculated my fitness from erg tests, in which the rowing machine will tell you how many watts you've pumped. It's not as effective when you try to use it on a real boat, especially when it has more than one person. Types of boats are more diverse than types of ergs. No matter what erg, if I do a 2k on it my score will be about the same. But if I do a 2k in different boats, the margin for variation is much larger.
Another reason why its not as effective on the water is because when rowing with other people, the boat naturally moves faster.

What I'm getting at is that its mainly used for processing the result of erg scores pulled by the athlete. Quite obviously though, if an athlete is strong on an erg they most often are strong on the water. If you are unsure about the strength of an athlete on the water (which is mroe critical than the erg) then seat race them against other people, or give them a seat race against the twinkie!

Also, when I said weight I meant weight in pounds (lbs).

Here is how you can find your watts if your erg doesnt tell you or you rowed on the water.

((M/T)^3)*2.8
Where M is your meters rowed and T is your time in seconds.

[chgoss]

45yrs, 200lbs, 6:59 2k
14.8 fitness..

there sure are a lot of different ways to determine I should be going faster

[RowtheRockies]

PB from February 2007 = 7:09.2
Weight 172lbs.
Height 6' 1"
Age 38
Fitness Rating = 15.21

Wow, I am not eve comparable in fitness to a 14-16 Junior Novice! Ouch!

Rich

[TabbRows]

[/quote]Wow, I am not eve comparable in fitness to a 14-16 Junior Novice! Ouch!

You're not alone Rich. I view this "fitness" score with the same skepticism I give the so called BMI scores that tell a 6' 3" 240 lb body builder with a 33" waist that benches 2.5x body weight, leg presses 600 lbs and runs a sub 7' pace for marathons, he should lose 50 lbs of fat.

There are better, albeit, not short hand, ways of measuring comparative fitness.

ST

57 M 5"10" 79kgs 7:44 2K

[richking1953]

Where does the ^.67 come from? Bicyclists use watts/(Kg of body weight) which is the same as your formula without the ^.67

[JohnFlynn]

Where does the ^.67 come from? Bicyclists use watts/(Kg of body weight) which is the same as your formula without the ^.67

There is more to the formula than the ^.67, but I've heard of this simple watts/weight formula before. It tends to favor lighter people in my experience using it.

[JohnFlynn]

Wow, I am not eve comparable in fitness to a 14-16 Junior Novice! Ouch!

You're not alone Rich. I view this "fitness" score with the same skepticism I give the so called BMI scores that tell a 6' 3" 240 lb body builder with a 33" waist that benches 2.5x body weight, leg presses 600 lbs and runs a sub 7' pace for marathons, he should lose 50 lbs of fat.

There are better, albeit, not short hand, ways of measuring comparative fitness.

ST

57 M 5"10" 79kgs 7:44 2K

[/quote]
Well for starters, those scores I posted to compare with are concidering the fitness of an athlete at their prime in that category. Also note that these categories of people train almost daily.
Another point is that theyre usually youth, and there are several different age categories. What I mean is even if your fitness ranking doesnt pull out to be much stronger than some of the categories I wrote about, your fitness can still be compared as very good or very poor depending on your age group.

[TabbRows]

Really, glad you're fit for your age John.

Keeping rowing strong for the rest of your life. And remember these times when work and family and lack of a coach beating you over the head keep you from trudging your scull down to the river or stopping off at the gym for a couple of hours on the way home.

And keep working on the math, I'm sure you'll find the right ratio for evey one.

[JohnFlynn]

oh I didnt write the formula, I believe it was written by someone in relation to olymic rowing.

[almostflipped]

For what it's worth, this formula is one of the metrics looked at in selection for the junior national team. I'm not aware of who started using it, but it has been around for a few years and provides a simple way of comparing athletes of varying (sometimes dramatically) sizes but similar scores. Perhaps where people are getting hung up is on the choice of vocabulary to describe it. Rather than "fitness metric" one could say a "weight adjusted metric".