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Pardon the stupid question from an old man, here: I expect that, since the Crash B's are done w/o slides, training for it should be done w/o slides. Have I got that right?

tony

hkp2ksk wrote:Pardon the stupid question from an old man, here: I expect that, since the C.R.A.S.H-B's are done without slides, training for it should be done without slides. Have I got that right?

Tony

It's not mandated. You may want to switch to a grounded erg in the last couple of weeks - just to get used to the feel of it. But if you normally train on slides you'll be most comfortable continuing on slides.

The person to contact is Rick 'Yankeerunner' Bayko - he's a sliding erger.

hkp2ksk wrote:Pardon the stupid question from an old man, here: I expect that, since the Crash B's are done w/o slides, training for it should be done w/o slides. Have I got that right?

tony

Very good question. You are addressing the issue of specificity in training.
Regardless of the theoretical benefit of slides, the bottom lin is how do you perform without them.

I would think that training with slides would be counterproductive for a crash B unless they let you use the slides in the crash B.

Well the good thing about slides is that, as a training tool (rather than basing all of one's erging around them) they can let you work at different things than a stationary erg. I find it reall useful to work on higher rates on slides, and doing feet out stuff on slides can be really effective at working on body position and control. Personally I think an erg on slides feels a lot different though, so I definitely use it only sparingly. But considering that my best 2k was at about a 36, and I hope to go to Crash-B's at a 34-36, doing fast stuff on slides at a 40-42 is pretty valuable, even if i don't do it that often. To each his own I guess.

I'm training for C.I.R.C. (Canadian-in Toronto on Feb 4th)
and am new to rowing, am going on this for the first time,
without proper 'equiptment'.

At the YMCA where I train, there are two Concept2 ergs.

1) No proper seat to use -I need a stationary seat
(I am an adapted rower, using not a sliding seat but typically am supposed to have a fixed erg. seat)
but rather sit atop a chair atop the erg. seat .
(next week, I am sneaking clamps to the YMCA and trying to see if they wont bother me if I clamp the erg seat down -I was told to use a chair but I am quite frankly concerned about the difference in style, in the feel, from coming off that chair, and going to CIRC to sit on a stationary erg. seat)

2) I'm concerned with how much this has affected my testing potential (erg. monitoring program with Rowing Canada),
to sit on this chair rather then a fixed seat while I train.

3)Slides. -We do not have any.
*only seen them on utube film clip of xeno's place and that 83 yr old fellow pulling a sub 8 2k. *he wasn't on the slides,
the fellow next to him was*


Are such slides necessary for training to row on water next summer?

Do scullers practice with slides on their erg?


-minna

marathonoflife wrote: *only seen them on utube film clip of xeno's place and that 83 yr old fellow pulling a sub 8 2k. *he wasn't on the slides,
the fellow next to him was*
-minna

Minna,

I am the old guy (actually 82 — Xeno had a slight error in that). Usually all of the ergs at the Iron Oarsman are on slides, but the test I was doing required a stationary erg, so Xeno temporarily removed the slides from the erg that I used — just for the test.

Bob S.

Bob,

That video teaches me not only about form but pacing.

(asides from reminding me that rowing is for all ages and abilities : ) )

-and thank you for sharing your 2k with us,
that was awesome and an inspiration for me almost on a daily basis
around 4:30AM when am getting ready for the day's training.

-minna

marathonoflife wrote:I am an adapted rower, using not a sliding seat but typically am supposed to have a fixed erg. seat[/i])
but rather sit atop a chair atop the erg. seat .

next week, I am sneaking clamps to the YMCA and trying to see if they wont bother me if I clamp the erg seat down -I was told to use a chair but I am quite frankly concerned about the difference in style, in the feel, from coming off that chair, and going to CIRC to sit on a stationary erg. seat

This morning I set plastic water (milk) crates on their side on each side of the railing to simulate a fixed seat, with the regular seat at the back, and layed a 3/4" thick piece of plywood on the top of them.

Then I rowed a few strokes this way which turned out very well. I was surprised to click down to 2:05 pace but noticed the rating was 37 spm. Then I did 2:05 pace again at 28-30 spm. I plan to keep using this fixed - but not connected - seat in my training. Surprisingly this seat is very stable, doesn't move at all and stays right in place, even though it is not connected to anything and sits on a very smooth and slippery concrete garage floor.

I would like to make a regular seat that will fit over the railing without touching it. Then I won't need to use the crates and plywood any more.

You could fashion something similar to use for your training and your races.

I train on slides all the time, but am intending to enter BIRC in November. I do not want to row grounded, except at BIRC, because I'm mainly going to "compete" to meet a few UK forum users.

If you are going to compete properly you might benefit from getting used to a grounded erg. Otherwise just enjoy the slides.

Cheers
Dave

Check out this thread, especially Xeno's responces..
http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5689