Kicking or pushing!!

[Tyn]

Hi All,

Citroen wrote on another thread:

Move it down to no higher than 5 (assuming it's a clean machine). Then go and kick the PT where it hurts most - because he's an idiot.

It made me wonder!,
normally I push with my legs at the drive!
But since the words of Citroen I'm more kicking the plates, not a gentle push, but more like a hard double leg KICK!

And this makes my recovery more gentle/easy/somewhat longer!

So the drive is more 'explosive'
and the recovery is more gentle/easy.

Do you think this good or bad!


TIA

[ancho]

I also remember Citroën saying something about Dutch madmen?

[Tyn]

Once in a while I am serious!

And you will spoil it , such a shame
But really give me a sreious response!!

Ancho, or another smart rower!!

This is NOT a joke!
even Bob could help me!
...Seriously!!!!!!

[Bob S.]

Once in a while I am serious!

And you will spoil it , such a shame :D :D :D
But really give me a sreious response!!

Ancho, or another smart rower!!

This is NOT a joke!
even Bob could help me!
...Seriously!!!!!!

Should that be spelled surrealious? Perhaps Sr. Dali's countryman can answer that.

Bob S.

[Byron Drachman]

But really give me a serious response!!

Ancho, or another smart rower!!

Here is a discussion from a smart rower/coach, Mel Harbour. He posted it once and I saved it because it strikes me as a clear discussion of how to use the legs during the drive:

Ok, well, my take is probably a bit contradictory with some bits of what Pete wrote, so hold onto your hats!

Agree about getting the recovery right - body needs to be prepared before you reach the catch.

It really then depends on what the problem is that you're having with the leg drive. In order to complete the diagnosis you need to understand the concept of connection. When you are in the drive phase of the stroke, you are basically attached to the machine by two points: your hands and your feet. Your body forms a linkage between the two. The instant this strong linkage is destroyed, you will no longer be getting power out of your leg muscles effectively into the handle.

You need to feel this connection all the way through the drive therefore.

Anyway, if you are getting connected correctly, but feel that you aren't driving strongly enough, then follow Pete's advice. However far more likely is that you are not getting connected. A few ideas:

Use a length of rope wrapped round the handle and chain guard (vertical bit below the monitor) to fix the handle at the catch. Then push with your legs to lift your bum about an inch off the seat (no more). Now hold the position for up to a minute. Do not let your bum rise any higher, or let your bum move backwards away from your heels. This is what being connected feels like. Leave your arms straight - if you bend your arms you will sit back down.

Then put the damper right up on 10 and row at quite a low rate (16-18). Don't hurry out of frontstops. Try and get the feeling of being light on your seat before you let the seat move away from your heels. You'll need to time the change of direction quite well to do this. Don't worry about being quick through the drive - it's not important.

Then drop the damper back to 3-4 and try and row without using any muscular effort at all. Just hook your weight onto the handle and then let your bodyweight take you backwards. As an extension to this, when you get to 2/3 of the drive done, just put a tiny blip of muscular force in to accelerate the legs and back through to the finish of the stroke together.

Then just build it up from there, but always keep connecting first! No matter how fast you're going (other than a 100m sprint!) it's very rare that you see people coming out of frontstops too slowly.

Mel

Byron

[Bob S.]

Hi All,
Citroen wrote on another thread:

Move it down to no higher than 5 (assuming it's a clean machine). Then go and kick the PT where it hurts most - because he's an idiot.

It made me wonder!,
normally I push with my legs at the drive!
But since the words of Citroen I'm more kicking the plates, not a gentle push, but more like a hard double leg KICK!
And this makes my recovery more gentle/easy/somewhat longer!
So the drive is more 'explosive'
and the recovery is more gentle/easy.
Do you think this good or bad!
TIA

Tyn,
Somehow I don't get the connection between Citreon's comment about kicking the instructor and your question about drive. Is this some esoteric form of Dutch humor?

Puzzled Bob S.

[Tyn]

No answer to that one Bob,

but,

Puzzled Bob S


Sound like:

a new tv-show
a kids game
a movie by Q.T.
a character from a spongebob miniseries
a song by Dylan
a very strange sudoku
a new kind of rubick cube
a pinballmachine
a rolling stones record
a cheese
a cocktail


Yep!

Sounds great!

" Another puzzled Bob s. for me please"


Or is it:
S. Bob???






Thanks 'Sponge'

[ancho]

...
a cheese
...
Sounds great!

" Another puzzled Bob s. for me please"


Or is it:
S. Bob???


Thanks 'Sponge'

[Bob S.]

Or is it:
S. Bob???

Whatever — just so you don't make it B.S. Or Bobo. I wouldn't exactly appreciate either of those.

Bob S.

[Tyn]

That's fine with me Bobo!!

Cheers

[Citroen]

It made me wonder!,
normally I push with my legs at the drive!
But since the words of Citroen I'm more kicking the plates, not a gentle push, but more like a hard double leg KICK!

I meant get off the erg, stand up and land the idiot one squarely in his wedding tackle. Nothing to do with the rowing stroke.

Silly Dutchman.

[ancho]

Whatever — just so you don't make it B.S. Or Bobo. I wouldn't exactly appreciate either of those.

Bob S.

That's fine with me Bobo!!

Cheers

Tyn(-pot): "bobo" means silly in Spanish!

[Tyn]

This is the Bobo all Kids know, in Holland that is



Sorry Bob