Looking for correlation tables

strez · Post by **strez** » July 19th, 2006, 8:30 am

I just starting erging again after a two-decade break. I'm looking for tables that correlate my current effort at one distance (eg, 2,000 meters) with my expected effort at another distance (eg, 6,000 meters). In other words, if I can currently erg 2,000 meters at a 2:00 per 500 meter pace, what should I be expected to row a 6,000 meter piece at? (I usually use my heart monitor for training but I'm just looking for general correlations.) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Ray79 · Post by **Ray79** » July 19th, 2006, 8:51 am

Plug this into your address bar and download the excel worksheet

www.machars.net/ltb.xls

It has the lactate training bands for times and how they relate to others. They are not exactly right for everyone, but it should be a starting point for you.

strez · Post by **strez** » July 19th, 2006, 9:13 am

Wow, awesome....thanks, Ray!

michaelb · Post by **michaelb** » July 19th, 2006, 9:31 am

PaulS's "Law" says double the distance add 5 secs to the pace. Some people dispute this (and argue for less than 5), but it will give you a ball park. So if your 2k is at 2:00 pace, your 6k would be at 2:07.5. Works for me in real life for the most part (my 10k is not 5 secs slower in pace than my 5k though, more like 3 secs).

Ray79 · Post by **Ray79** » July 19th, 2006, 9:44 am

strez wrote:Wow, awesome....thanks, Ray!

I have to stress that all kudos for that table has to go to Roy Walter (Gooseflight on the UK forum)
He also has a set of pace calculators on this site

http://www.machars.net/spi.php

michaelb · Post by **michaelb** » July 19th, 2006, 10:38 am

I haven't seen that chart before, but as I read it, it is for training, not prediction of your PB at other distances. The "double the distance add 5" is for prediction of PBs either up or down.

I have an excel spreadsheet somewhere that someone else created that uses 5 different ways to predict PBs based on various formulas, but I never really understood how that chart worked exactly. I could find it and post it probably, but it might be better if someone could remember who did it, and/or who had an explanation of how it should be interpreted.

Ray79 · Post by **Ray79** » July 19th, 2006, 10:52 am

Oh i realise that they are for training and not for PB's, (I dont remember PB predictions being requested), and thats why I stated in my first post that it was a starting point and that they are not correct for everyone in any case.

Only a madman would try to row at PB pace for every session anyway and would quickly get sick of the rower.

strez · Post by **strez** » July 19th, 2006, 1:31 pm

Ray, actually the chart you game me has the UT2, UT1, AT, TR, and AN training paces to correlate to each PB for a distance, and that is exactly what I was looking for.

tomhz · Post by **tomhz** » July 19th, 2006, 3:33 pm

michaelb wrote:PaulS's "Law" says double the distance add 5 secs to the pace. Some people dispute this (and argue for less than 5), but it will give you a ball park. So if your 2k is at 2:00 pace, your 6k would be at 2:07.5. Works for me in real life for the most part (my 10k is not 5 secs slower in pace than my 5k though, more like 3 secs).

The general form "Double the distance, add X" where X is a personal value between 3 and 5 sec. works for almost everyone. The 500m (faster than predicted) and full marathon (slower than predicted) cannot be properly predicted with this formula.
My PB's are pretty consistent with "Double the distance , add 4 sec".

Tom

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » July 19th, 2006, 3:36 pm

The PERathlon tables show the most accurate comparison from one event to another.

Click my profile and you'll find all that you need to be able to do this.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » July 19th, 2006, 4:11 pm

michaelb wrote:PaulS's "Law" says double the distance add 5 secs to the pace. Some people dispute this (and argue for less than 5), but it will give you a ball park. So if your 2k is at 2:00 pace, your 6k would be at 2:07.5. Works for me in real life for the most part (my 10k is not 5 secs slower in pace than my 5k though, more like 3 secs).

you say it yourself. This rule is not working. For the longer stuff it is less and for the shorter stuff often more 500 versus 1k for instance