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Hi... I know this will have been addressed many times

But during this exceptional period many appear to be taking their training more seriously

There seems to be conflicting advice out there.. Even within the C2 site.

UT2 for example in the long training guide V2 gives the HR <70%... Which I believe to be correct.. I appreciate there will be caveats

Yet within the site and elsewhere (more readily available) the use of HRR or working HR.
This can give a difference of ~15bpm placing the athlete in a completely different Zone

Thoughs

There is a lot of conflicting advice, not least as I have heard people using 72% and 75% as the upper limit of UT2

I generally work off 70% but it's a loose target as I accept that it's not an exact science, and it's always going to be a best guess. Imo, it's best to not get too caught up with exact details as there are too many variables at play.

One thing I was told was if you're going to train in zones try and keep it consistent within the zone rather than push it to within say 3bpm of max for that zone. I was doing that to start with as my ego wants me to push for a faster split time. I have now tried to decouple Eddie the Ego from my slower training sessions to avoid that. I try and stay at circa 65% for Blue zone and 75% for Green zone base on my HR using a chest strap. I cover the monitor sometimes too and just leave SR and HR visible.

=/<RHR+.7HRR is traditional. Thoughs.

There seems to be conflicting advice out there.. Even within the C2 site.

What advice do you need? Rowing is very simple: go fast at low ratings in training, and faster still when racing at high ratings.

If you can go sufficiently fast at low ratings, you may well see HR going to unexpected places. This is due to AT shift, and means you have trained well and are ready to race if you want to.

jamesg wrote: ↑

May 22nd, 2020, 1:11 am

There seems to be conflicting advice out there.. Even within the C2 site.

What advice do you need? Rowing is very simple: go fast at low ratings in training, and faster still when racing at high ratings.

If you can go sufficiently fast at low ratings, you may well see HR going to unexpected places. This is due to AT shift, and means you have trained well and are ready to race if you want to.

Hello,

That may have happened to me once, my very first 2k race in my early 40s, I was very excited, my HR went to 205 and I was concerned it was too fast and I might bust a gasket somewhere. I felt fine but worried, backed off & came in at 7:10. Coach later explained to me that I shouldn't be too concerned about max HR and 220 rule.

Is that the sort of thing you are talking about or have I completely misunderstood you ?

Bill

Bill wrote: ↑

May 31st, 2020, 7:21 am

jamesg wrote: ↑

May 22nd, 2020, 1:11 am

There seems to be conflicting advice out there.. Even within the C2 site.

What advice do you need? Rowing is very simple: go fast at low ratings in training, and faster still when racing at high ratings.

If you can go sufficiently fast at low ratings, you may well see HR going to unexpected places. This is due to AT shift, and means you have trained well and are ready to race if you want to.

Hello,

That may have happened to me once, my very first 2k race in my early 40s, I was very excited, my HR went to 205 and I was concerned it was too fast and I might bust a gasket somewhere. I felt fine but worried, backed off & came in at 7:10. Coach later explained to me that I shouldn't be too concerned about max HR and 220 rule.

Is that the sort of thing you are talking about or have I completely misunderstood you ?

Bill

Or heart is build to last a century, non stop, there is a build in break, a high hf is nothing to worry about. Always training at a high hf is a different matter, thats simply not the way to go. But racing and seeing a very high hf is 100% fine.

Is that the sort of thing you are talking about?

Yes. In Conconi HR theory, AT was to be found by experiment (step test), and it could drift with training, moving towards MHR. This could be exactly what you saw.