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good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 17th, 2020, 7:44 pm
by Ramius1975
I am working on my form. When I finish a workout, the muscles that I feel it in the most are my upper hamstrings and glutes. That spot, for lack of a better way of putting it, where the back of your leg meets the bottom of your butt is worked super hard. I am fatigued in the calves, lower back, etc., but that one spot gets a beating.
Is this normal or a sign my form is off?
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 17th, 2020, 11:13 pm
by jackarabit
“Takes a kneading” may be closer to the matter of fact. The glutes slide over and past the bony extremities called the ischeal tuberosities on every stroke IF you have the flexibility and form to hinge the back fwd and aft from the hips. Rowing seats and pads with relief holes or depressions at the appropriate loci are the classical balm for the painful bum. Think dual hemorrhoid cushions.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 1:28 am
by Slothful1
It might also help to sit slightly further forward on the seat. I find if I start a little too far back, the front edge of the seat presses on the part of the leg you're describing.
It's normally part of my pre-row routine, to make sure I'm far enough forward (it doesn't necessarily end up feeling like I'm in the middle of the seat once I've found the right position, but rather hanging off the front a bit).
Dave
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 2:38 am
by jamesg
Discomfort can mean bad posture and sequences, causing us to use the wrong muscles.
Suggest you keep straight back and use low drag (100), low rating (20) and low feet (0 holes showing).
Do not try to work too hard, training does not need it: the large muscles that actuate the knees and hips overload our CV systems, if used to full extent, even at low training ratings.
Always start slow to get past the initial 10' warm-up phase and relax into a smooth long action.
See the C2 technique videos for posture and sequence during the recovery (arms, swing, slide in that order).
A front stop on the rail can help, about 50 cm from your heels.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 7:42 am
by Anth_F
jamesg wrote: ↑March 18th, 2020, 2:38 am
Discomfort can mean bad posture and sequences, causing us to use the wrong muscles.
Suggest you keep straight back and use low drag (100), low rating (20) and low feet (0 holes showing).
Do not try to work too hard, training does not need it: the large muscles that actuate the knees and hips overload our CV systems, if used to full extent, even at low training ratings.
Always start slow to get past the initial 10' warm-up phase and relax into a smooth long action.
See the C2 technique videos for posture and sequence during the recovery (arms, swing, slide in that order).
A front stop on the rail can help, about 50 cm from your heels.
This is good advice.
Rowing on the machine should be, but not always, a positive and sometimes enjoyable experience depending on the nature of work being done, any specific areas of your body that are taking a beating suggests that your technique needs work.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 8:30 am
by max_ratcliffe
If you are describing a cramp-type feeling at the top of your hamstrings, then, yes I had exactly that when I started rowing 60' sessions. I don't think it's an injury or necessarily indicative of poor form, but it might suggest too big a step in training volume.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 8:42 am
by Gammmmo
jackarabit wrote: ↑March 17th, 2020, 11:13 pm
“Takes a kneading” may be closer to the matter of fact. The glutes slide over and past the bony extremities called the ischeal tuberosities on every stroke IF you have the flexibility and form to hinge the back fwd and aft from the hips. Rowing seats and pads with relief holes or depressions at the appropriate loci are the classical balm for the painful bum. Think dual hemorrhoid cushions.
Essentially this. Wordy though it is.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 9:14 am
by Dangerscouse
I'm guessing but could this be something to do with having weak glutes, which is a common problem from sitting down a lot?
Rowing is a form of horizontal jumping when done correctyl, (admittedly a tenuous link to jumping), so there must be some glute activation, albeit so little when you're no longer a newbie you wouldn't notice.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 11:40 am
by ampire
The adhesive backed foam pad that C2 sells is really nice and really cheap, you could try one of those.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 11:54 am
by Gabe_G
Yeah, I would not say bad form necessarily. Just muscle imbalance. Sometimes it takes a while for neglected muscle groups to catch up. The glutes are often under utilized by many people.
It isn't uncommon for many basic resistance users to neglect entire body parts. Glutes, Calves, Neck are probably the top 3 from my observation.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 11:59 am
by jackarabit
Gammmmo wrote: ↑March 18th, 2020, 8:42 am
jackarabit wrote: ↑March 17th, 2020, 11:13 pm
“Takes a kneading” may be closer to the matter of fact. The glutes slide over and past the bony extremities called the ischeal tuberosities on every stroke IF you have the flexibility and form to hinge the back fwd and aft from the hips. Rowing seats and pads with relief holes or depressions at the appropriate loci are the classical balm for the painful bum. Think dual hemorrhoid cushions.
Essentially this. Wordy though it is.
My posts only appear long because I use polysyllabic words occasionally. Those who incline towards use of articles and Anglo-Saxon verbs [grunts] use many more than I.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 12:24 pm
by Gammmmo
jackarabit wrote: ↑March 18th, 2020, 11:59 am
Gammmmo wrote: ↑March 18th, 2020, 8:42 am
jackarabit wrote: ↑March 17th, 2020, 11:13 pm
“Takes a kneading” may be closer to the matter of fact. The glutes slide over and past the bony extremities called the ischeal tuberosities on every stroke IF you have the flexibility and form to hinge the back fwd and aft from the hips. Rowing seats and pads with relief holes or depressions at the appropriate loci are the classical balm for the painful bum. Think dual hemorrhoid cushions.
Essentially this. Wordy though it is.
My posts only appear long because I use polysyllabic words occasionally. Those who incline towards use of articles and Anglo-Saxon verbs [grunts] use many more than I.
Yuo have a
distinct way with words. You calling the way I write verbose or flowery?
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 3:46 pm
by jackarabit
It’s a joke, Gammms. I would never ever attack anyone who actually agreed with me. Then again mebbe I would.
Re: good form = butt worked?
Posted: March 18th, 2020, 10:01 pm
by ampire
I really started having the buttock pain when I started using slides, seemed like my form was different from before, and that resulted in glute soreness, maybe I rocked over my ischial tuberosity (da sitz bonez) differently, I got the foam pad shortly after and it resolved itself, possibly the foam pad really helped or my muscles got stronger.
