Yearly metres?

[Scholes]

End of June completes another year with my machine and as it closes in and I'm smiling as I predict my yearly total, I'm just curious how it compares to others.

I love rowing, been doing so for a while. For most of the year I row 6 days a week. Summer I find it hard as I spend far too much time running in the trails and climbing/hiking and travelling so rowing indoors isn't my favourite warm weather activity. I'm closing in on a 2 million metre year and the year prior I was around 1.8 mill, my goal was to lower my overall split on the summary screen and surpass my yearly total, both of which I accomplished.

Would more serious rowers find 2 million a small paltry number or is it considered relatively solid in terms of volume? (For reference though, I lift weights three times a week, run 3 times a week, coach and play basketball several times a week as well as a lot of other various forms of exercise... on top of rowing 6 days a week, not too bad as a high school history/math teacher).

[jackarabit]

Decide for yourself what's habitual, possible, exceptional, obsessional, improbable, downright mendacious, challenging, aspirational, average, normative, casual. https://log.concept2.com/challenges/sea ... 00?page=63

You are of working age and engage in several sports/fitness activities. I'm certain you devote well over 2.5 hours per week to activities which keep you fit. Erging is part of the package. Improving or maintaining an average split is a reward in itself. Yearly meter volume is rewarded with buttons and tee shirts.

[Carl Watts]

2 million is pretty good, especially if your combining it with other activities.

The indoor rowing season is from 1st May to 30th April every year so it ends in few days time.

You can upload your meters to the Concept 2 online logbook but the only failing with the C2 total meters is that it doesn't show your average pace for those meters, so while some of the totals look impressive, most are at a snails pace but obviously you do need to take age into consideration.

If you upload everything you can see your total meters and total time so simply use the Concept 2 calculator to work out your average pace. If your setting a goal you need both a meters total and an average pace.

[bisqeet]

jack nailed it:

quite a few different ergo-er types (and lots more)
1) the coachpotatoe trying to beat the bulge / improve fitness
2) the wannabes, aging mediocre athletes reaching midlife crisis and need to prove themselves (sounds like i should jump in this group)
3) the lifelong athletes that have always done sports and would be lost without it


2 MM is 3 times that what I did in my first season (2014/2015), when i first used the machine to warmup -

I don't consider myself a "serious" rower, but I do invest some time sitting either indoor or outdoor (in summer).
The rower is my main "cardio" equipment with additional mountainbiking, swimming, langlauf as weather permits. I also go to the gym about 2-3 times a week - circuit training rather than heavy weights. salsa dancing 1/ week, walk the dog, hike in the alps etc.
In average I would say I probably be arounbd 10hrs /week taken over the whole year.

that said i'm just working out my (indoor rowing) stats for the year as I only have one row left for the season (HM today) - OTW competition on Saturday.

This seasson I managed to row on 227 days so about 4-5 days a week on average.
I rowed for about 312hrs accumalating about 4.2 million meters
works out at about 18km per session or over the year an average of 11.5km / day.

of that 4.2 MM about 100km was under 1:50 pace (what i would consider fast) the majority was 2:00-2:07/500 pace)
129 rows were greater or equal to halfmarathon distance (21097) - 1xFM, 1x67km, 1x50km, 1x30km, 2x25km, 123xHM - so looking at that every other day rowing was a HM or longer (hmmm...)

I wouldn't at all be suprised that a serious rower double that. looking at the daily meter honor board https://log.concept2.com/challenges/sea ... 000?page=1

the top 50 all top 5MM a season with the top 6 over 10 MM.

[lwtguy]

I average around 100K a week, both erg and OTW meters. So that would put me right around the 5MM mark. In college we'd get around 120K a week. I would consider myself a serious rower and what I do is typical of most people training at my level.

[jackarabit]

Lookit here! Can that be me in 110th place? Yep. Carl will fill you in on why my result is meaningless, illegitimate or both. To date, he hasn't convnced C2 to adopt his self-serving definition of honor which, as I understand it, consists of playing Carl's game by Carl's rules governing acceptable average pace.

Good luck with your purge of the unworthy, Carl. The years pass quickly. By the time you get your little popgun approved, loaded and trained on the snail-paced wrinklies, it will be aimed at you. Like to be a fly on the wall to see how you dance yourself around that sad old situation?

[bisqeet]

Wow. Jack!
Hitting done serious meters...

[nick rockliff]

2 million is a good number per year especially if not fully trained. Once you have plateaued you will probably find you need to increase metres to make smaller gains.

I was doing 6 to 7 million per year to get from 6.20 2k to 6.16 2k but all distances above 2k were also greatly improved.

Had a bit of a break from the erg but now coming back. Am only doing about 40k per month right now and making good gains but will need to start increasing the metres to get to 90% of my potential as a 60 year old........

[Carl Watts]

So whats your average pace Jack ?

Lifetime PB for me this year on both distance AND average pace.

Last day of rowing for me, final result will be 2750,000m for the season and final average pace to be calculated but its looking like 2:02. 95% of the total meters would be under 20spm, pretty much all the training rows are 17-18spm.

Concept 2 are making progress, the new LogBook now works for RowPro uploads as well as ErgData. Its only a matter of time before everything goes verified, technology will see to that, younger rowers coming through want to use their phones for everything and will want automatic uploads and full synchronization between their phone and the C2 LogBook. A couple more small tweaks would see the rankings link to the row in your logbook, its coming sooner or later you cannot stop it.

[jackarabit]

1 May 16 to current date, my logbook shows 11,258m in 6 workouts manually entered without verification, including 4711m at Agannis Arena in Boston Mass. in January. Yearly meter total to date is 4,071,990. .000003% of total unverified; balance verified by C2 utility, Rowpro or ergData upload. I support verification because the c2 utility, as well as the symbiont aps mentioned, offer convenient methods of verification. I also support the option of manual entry without V code for record keeping of meters lost to performance monitor failure and human fallibility. The insinuation that I am resistant to progress in logbook submission methods is simply false.

My average pace this year is 2:35.1 or right at my mid-UT2 pace (2k+30") based on 2k PB in summer 2015. I do know how average pace can be massaged by minimizing warmup/cooldown meters or eliminating those from log submission altogether and also how volume can be traded for pace by increasing the ratio of rest days to active days. In my case, ratio of rest days to active this year was as low as 0:32 during the March Madness challenge but more typically 1:8 to 1:14. In the coming season I might attempt to break the habit of rowing without full rest and cherry pick my way to 2:25 average pace on lower volume. I set a single goal of 10k+ meters per day this season and I managed a bit better than that (11.2k per day).

Congratulations on your achievement, Carl. Can you get it into your head that there are many of us who can't compete with you who would like to enjoy ours, however humble they may be by comparison?

[Carl Watts]

Only competing with those in my age group Jack.

Anyone should have the common sense to be able to factor in a persons age, weight and height into their performance and thats just for starters, you then need to delve into their sporting background. Have rowed Online with a number of people on RowPro and you can practically guess some of the missing stats just from their pace and rating.

Like I have said before, there is not enough information on the annual meters board to give you a real placing, but after all its only for fun right ?

[bisqeet]

i think you would be better using SPI instead of pace as a guide at just how fast/hard one was working.
probably more accurate that checking urine streams intensity and distance..

on average I would say those with the most volume (>10k/day) probably do > 80% at a slow but powerful stroke.
the wappid wabbits (sprinters/x-fitters, etc.) have a lower volume but higher paces. Sam Loch for one...

back OT

2MM is a decent commitment. if the quality matches the quantity you are doing great. You may want to think about a definite plan and defining some goals for the upcoming season (the logbooks ´go back to 0 on the 01.05)

[hjs]

So whats your average pace Jack ?

Lifetime PB for me this year on both distance AND average pace.

Last day of rowing for me, final result will be 2750,000m for the season and final average pace to be calculated but its looking like 2:02. 95% of the total meters would be under 20spm, pretty much all the training rows are 17-18spm.

Concept 2 are making progress, the new LogBook now works for RowPro uploads as well as ErgData. Its only a matter of time before everything goes verified, technology will see to that, younger rowers coming through want to use their phones for everything and will want automatic uploads and full synchronization between their phone and the C2 LogBook. A couple more small tweaks would see the rankings link to the row in your logbook, its coming sooner or later you cannot stop it.

Using ergdata now on my skierg. Must say, very nice feature, every stroke gets recorded.
What I don,t like it every session gets recorced. Say I do a few wu sessions and cd plus main session, that gives me 4/5 entries for one training. I don,t want that, so I eliminate all stuff what is not the main sesh, put that in by hand as bulk per week.
If I don,t I get 20/30 entries of more per week. Want it more compact.
Tried to connect the rower to, but wrong cable for the pm I got. So those stay handmade entries. Same format.
Weights ditto

[jackarabit]

Carl smirks:

Like I have said before, there is not enough information on the annual meters board to give you a real placing, but after all its only for fun right ?

Actually it's competitive based on a single admissable parameter of performance--yearly metres rowed. If you can't take the heat Carl, you should stay out of the kit chen.

Just possibly numerical placement superposed on the metres-rowed ranges or levels of the annual metre board is a bit much and shouid be eliminated to encourage more community and less hierarchy.

But you don't really object to the hierarchical placements, Carl. You believe the shortest route to victory involves influencing the rules committee to move the finish line closer to your side of the course.

For those whose performance is age group dependent (which apparently yours is by your own admission) there are the rankings over discrete distance and time. Are you not happy with them either? I remember you saying something to the effect that you've aged out to "emeritus" status at the ripe old age of 50 and no longer do serious ranked efforts.

Is it possible your métier is primarily dissing C2 about anything that doesn't accomodate Carl's world? I thnk so. Grow up.

[G-dub]

Great job Jack. I'm struggling to hang onto 7500 per day. I think I will be able to hang on for two more days! 500 per day more than last year. I could give a rats about average pace as the sessions are the focus - some faster some slower. Some warm up some cool down. Some TTs and some just working on stroke.