Low carb guy wins Tour de France?

[Shawn Baker]

http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-fr ... nce-2016-7

https://t.co/1kKXJyz888

[hjs]

Shawn, not true, during races he eats plenty of carbs...... He did cut weight, that is the main factor for his relative power increese.

But certainly not low carb, a cycling stage costs often 1000 cal or more per hour and the main source during the race is simple carbs.

More info from tean Sky themselves in the link.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/r ... kfast.html

Point 5. Choose the right carbs

“The man in the street is becoming carbophobic, but when we’ve got people doing hard exercise their bodies need carbohydrates for energy. You just need to choose the right sources of carbs. Some people happily won’t eat carbs but then have six pints of lager, which is no use at all.
"A simple rule is to go for real foods rather than processed carbs and lots of complex carbs. Try to eat wholemeal rice, sweet potatoes, quinoa, or basmati rice. It’s fun to experiment a bit, too – like making sweet potato and carrot mash.”

[Gammmmo]

good article. also worth noting that cutting weight increases mitchondrial density per total weight of the subject

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

Click-bait article title at its finest.

Of course people eat that up without bothering to read the article or actually know the truth.

He eats plenty of carbs, just less than what he used to when he weighed 167 lbs.

That's like calling me a low carb guy because I eat only 1 piece of toast instead of 2.

[Shawn Baker]

Translate the 2nd article about the number 2 guy " diet poor in carbs, high in fats"- we we clearly start to see a huge shift away from the reliance upon carbohydrate as primary fuel source in the near future IMO

[hjs]

Translate the 2nd article about the number 2 guy " diet poor in carbs, high in fats"- we we clearly start to see a huge shift away from the reliance upon carbohydrate as primary fuel source in the near future IMO

Shawn I just read his book. He has changed his way of eating, he started out for an Italian team, where breakfast was pasta, it always took a few hours to get going after starting. He mostly improved his power to weight ratio, not gotten much fitter or stronger, but lighter, less fat, but also less not usefull muscle. Look at his upperbody...

He often does not eat before his training, only starts to eat during his ride. Both to stay light stimulate fat metabolism. Food during rides is mainly simple sugars, the less disturbing on the stomach.

During a tour stage a guy like froome when riding in the peleton needs roughly 240 watts. When escaping the peleton or during uphill parts this goes up to around 400. Those numbers are from this years tour. 240 watt can mostly be gotten from fats, but around 400 certainly not. Carbs are needed and used.

The burned fat could be eaten directly, instead of via carbs in abundance which will partly be turn in fats.

Froome seldom takes rest and not seldom does "extra", their weight is very important, taking rest will let it rise easily.. Mentally tough for those guys.

Wiggins also lost a lot of weight to win his tour, and Armstrong apart from everything else, lost a good bit of weight before he became the rider he was. His main contenter German Ullrich, was proberly more talented, but always had big trouble getting on weight, in the winter he often balonned up big time. And has a hard time getting if fully off.

[Shawn Baker]

Henry not sure how good your French is, but article (to me) translate that he ingests a Vespa drink to liberate fat and doesn't rely on sugary drinks during race- not sure when he wrote his book but it appears to me that this year he is claiming pretty much just relying on fats

Regardless, I suspect that we will see more and more people becoming "fat adapted" and spending a majority of their time training on fat as fuel with perhaps only occasional carb supplementation for selected hi intensity efforts only

I train hard and intense all the time on minimal to no carbs day in and day out to include sprint time trailing on rower- multiple running sprint repeats, airdyne bike repeat sprint, heavy squats and deadlifts, multiple Olympic lifting sets, multiple sets of jumps, plyometrics, med ball throws etc...- I get it done, I've adapted! Volek showed no difference in testing muscle glycogen between hi carb and low carb chronic fat adapted athletes. We become more efficient at gluconeogenesis, making glycogen, from protein, lactate, glycerol etc... If then add just a small amount of ingested carbs on top, to quote Zach Bitter "it's then like rocket fuel"

[Shawn Baker]

http://razorsedgeperformance.ca/2016/07 ... g-records/

This is an interview I just recently did that is relevant to the topic at hand!

[jackarabit]

LA as a neopro lost a lot of upper body swimmer muscle from his triathlete days. Bardet at 6'-2" looks like a naturalky skinny ectomorph. Froome at the same hgt. looks like a case of Marfans syndrome.

[Anth_F]

Congratulations to Froome on another TDF victory!!

What a phenomenal cyclist and sportsman he is. British cycling was nowhere to be seen not so many years back.. it is now with him around.

[Papy]

Henry not sure how good your French is, but article (to me) translate that he ingests a Vespa drink to liberate fat and doesn't rely on sugary drinks during race- not sure when he wrote his book but it appears to me that this year he is claiming pretty much just relying on fats

Hi Shawn, here are the main points of the French article.

*intro is a brief on Bardet and his past results in TdF. "Main point of interest is that he finished second behind Froome, which is a major point for us who are LCHF driven, as both the first and second of the TdF have low carbs and high fat diets*

* "Day before yesterday, Vespa boss, himself a LCHF and Ketogenesis proponent, published a letter from Bardet where the latter thanks Vespa for their support and help with their OFM programme (Optimized Fat Metabolism) et their drink VESPA POWER.

* Next day, vespa boss then congratulates Bardet on his stage win and publishes the English article on the Vespa website.

the French article then goes: "What does it prove, you're asking me...How to be sure that Bardet is indeed an athlete who has completed his own food revolution by only eating fats as his energy source. The answer is simple: you only have look 2 minutes to Vespa Power, what is in it, the approach of this product and his founder Peter Defty.

Vespa Power is an energy drink of a new generation. It brings very little calories, little energy, its role is only to allow a better use, a better mobilisation of the fats as energy source. We can forget those miracle drinks that booste athletes with sugar rushes, used straight after a huge glycemic peak. Instead we replace it with a drink that just helps the body to do better what he can already do : Burn the fat.

(Bold text) This type of drink is totally useless for an athlete who is not already Keto-adapted, with a diet made of carbs. Therefore to consume Vespa Power therefore proves by this fact that with Romain Bardet, we are indeed talking of a Keto-adapted athlete (or fat-adaped to be more precise) and that is an excellent news. Froome is not alone any more.
Many thanks to Peter Defty who is always keen in sharing his knowledge and who is before anything a passionate man. You can for instance listen to one of his speeches at the beginning of 2016 (Youtube video in article).

*** End of translation***

[jamesg]

We'd be sorry examples of evolution if we couldn't use either CHs or fats immediately on ingestion. Fats as reserves is a different question. Do we have reserves of CHs anyway? Are the waste products the same and just as easily removed?

[hjs]

Henry not sure how good your French is, but article (to me) translate that he ingests a Vespa drink to liberate fat and doesn't rely on sugary drinks during race- not sure when he wrote his book but it appears to me that this year he is claiming pretty much just relying on fats

Regardless, I suspect that we will see more and more people becoming "fat adapted" and spending a majority of their time training on fat as fuel with perhaps only occasional carb supplementation for selected hi intensity efforts only

I train hard and intense all the time on minimal to no carbs day in and day out to include sprint time trailing on rower- multiple running sprint repeats, airdyne bike repeat sprint, heavy squats and deadlifts, multiple Olympic lifting sets, multiple sets of jumps, plyometrics, med ball throws etc...- I get it done, I've adapted! Volek showed no difference in testing muscle glycogen between hi carb and low carb chronic fat adapted athletes. We become more efficient at gluconeogenesis, making glycogen, from protein, lactate, glycerol etc... If then add just a small amount of ingested carbs on top, to quote Zach Bitter "it's then like rocket fuel"

The book is from after his first tour win. My French is.....

They way you train is low volume to me, not compareble to cycling at all. You do lots, but never long hard anaerobic stuff. Weights can be done easily without carbs.
I myself have trained for 3/4 months low carb. At some point I could not handle it. Proberly not everybody reacts the same and I do train a bit different.
African runners all full on carbers, asians dito. No health problems, its about the amounts. The usa is bizar in that aspect.

And Froome won, he was the best, but not with a big margin. And he has a very strong team, which makes a very big difference. I do think general carb intake can be a lot lower, and very aerobic work and short anaerobic also. Inbetween carbs help.
The point about glycogen is not valid, if you start fully with fully filled stored, during a cyling race fir 4/5 hours the will deplete, so you have to take carbs in. Fat won,t work, it takes to much time to convert. The problem in daily life, very fast digestion is what you need on a race. Don,t forget a stage takes 5000cal per day. And losing weight is not an option, thats often the reason guys lose in the end.

[Gammmmo]

And losing weight is not an option, thats often the reason guys lose in the end.

It's not at all unusual for TDF cyclists to lose weight by the end though. One of the most extreme examples I always remember is Greg Lemond in 1989 - you can see it after he finishes the final TT.

[hjs]

And losing weight is not an option, thats often the reason guys lose in the end.

It's not at all unusual for TDF cyclists to lose weight by the end though. One of the most extreme examples I always remember is Greg Lemond in 1989 - you can see it after he finishes the final TT.

Its common, but if you are already very sharp at the start you have little room for the 3 weeks to come.

He only one won though due to his bike good thats not possible Anymore, nothing against him, but that was soso win.