Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

could also run 6:00 pace for 20 miles when I was 40

That's odd because aged 41 your best HM split was around 7:30 and earlier in your late 30s you ran the 1988 Dexter-Ann Arbor Half Marathon Run at around 8:00.

Why do you lie so much?

[ranger]

Same with your marathon running. Couldn't take being mediocre any longer? Again much too much competition for you.

No, I broke my ankles repeatedly playing basketball, which eventually gave me achilles tendon problems in my distance running.

With two torn/shredded achilles tendons, I couldn't run anymore.

So, when I was 50 years old, I took up indoor rowing.

In my first 2K race, when I was 51, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time.

When I was 53, I bought a 1x (a Peinert26) and took up rowing OTW.

ranger

[macroth]

In my first 2K race, when I was 52, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time.

But you were a heavyweight.

[ranger]

In my first 2K race, when I was 52, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time.

But you were a heavyweight.

Sure.

But fat doesn't do anything to erg times.

It doesn't make you go faster or slower.

It just hangs there.

So the next year, I lost weight and broke the 50s lwt WR three times on three consecutive rows: 6:30, 6:29, 6:28, winning gold in all of the major championships: WIRC, BIRC, and EIRC, with championship record rows at all three, WR rows at two of the three.

I pulled the lwt 6:28 at BIRC 2003 when I was a couple months shy of 53 years old.

Now, almost ten years later, no one has ever done any better.

And since neither Paul Siebach nor Mike Caviston nor Graham Watt can pull sub-6:30 any longer, who knows, it may be that no one will do any better until I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, which my training is now preparing me to do.

ranger

[ranger]

could also run 6:00 pace for 20 miles when I was 40

That's odd because aged 41 your best HM split was around 7:30 and earlier in your late 30s you ran the 1988 Dexter-Ann Arbor Half Marathon Run at around 8:00.

Why do you lie so much?

The Dexter-Ann Arbor run is in May, before the running season here even gets going.

I hadn't been training very hard and walked in the end of that race.

ranger

[nharrigan]

Ranger- Are you going to compete in the Crash-Bs this Sunday?

[Yankeerunner]

So, when I was 50 years old, I took up indoor rowing.

In my first 2K race, when I was 51, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time.


ranger

And now, 9 years later, despite all of the 'stuff' that you have done that is better than anyone else which has made you 'much better than that now,' you have NEVER beaten that time.

And as macroth correctly pointed out, you were a heavyweight at the time (as you also were in Baltimore the last time you broke 6:30). Just for the record.

[ranger]

In winter in the wood alone
Against the trees I go.
I mark a maple for my own
And lay the maple low.

At four o'clock I shoulder axe
And in the afterglow
I link a line of shadowy tracks
Across the tinted snow.

I see for Nature no defeat
In one tree's overthrow
Or for myself in my retreat
For yet another blow.

--Robert Frost

[ranger]

So, when I was 50 years old, I took up indoor rowing.

In my first 2K race, when I was 51, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time.


ranger

And now, 9 years later, despite all of the 'stuff' that you have done that is better than anyone else which has made you 'much better than that now,' you have NEVER beaten that time.

And as macroth correctly pointed out, you were a heavyweight at the time (as you also were in Baltimore the last time you broke 6:30). Just for the record.

Patience, son.

The training I devised to beat myself, given that there is no one better to beat, is not yet complete.

Get off the wall about my heavyweight rows in 2002.

I just lost weight and reproduced them as a lightweight in 2003.

ranger

[ranger]

How you get better once you are a Senior or Veteran WR-holder is another matter entirely.

So far, I am the only one to do it.

And even so, just working on my fitness, my times plateaued in 2003.

So, I have had to improve my technique in order to get better yet.

That task is complete.

Fait accompli.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (119 df.).

So I am again just preparing to race.

ranger

[ranger]

But outer Space,
At least this far,
For all the fuss
Of the populace,
Stays more popular
Than populous.

--Robert Frost

[ranger]

In a Glass of Cider

It seemed I was a mite of sediment
That waited for the bottom to ferment
So I could catch a bubble in ascent.
I rode up on one till the bubble burst
And when that left me to sink back reversed
I was no worse off than I was at first.
I'd catch another bubble if I waited.
The thing was to get now and then elated.

--Robert Frost



ranger

[MRapp]

How you get better once you are a Senior or Veteran WR-holder is another matter entirely.

So far, I am the only one to do it.

And even so, just working on my fitness, my times plateaued in 2003.

So, I have had to improve my technique in order to get better yet.

That task is complete.

Fait accompli.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (119 df.).

So I am again just preparing to race.

ranger

You've gotten better? Prove it. You are a 7:00 2k erger until one of two things happen. First, you race faster than 7:00 for 2k. Second, you post a workout indicating you could do a 2k faster than 7:00. With your supposed fitness you could bang out a number of workouts any day of the week that would show 6:40 2k ability. Hell, you could just sit down and pull 6:40 without much effort just to show us that you are not a complete and utter fraud. Or the easiest way of all? Simply take a screenshot of the daily erg session as you normally do it. If it says what you claim it says, we all have to shut our mouth and acknowledge you are as good as you say. So to think you could put all of us in our place with a single click of a camera, yet you don't do it, what does that say?

I could come on here and make 25 posts a day about being able to pull sub 6:00. Until I show something of substance indicating that it's a possibility people will call me a pathetic liar. Sound familiar?

[bellboy]

In a Glass of Cider

It seemed I was a mite of sediment
That waited for the bottom to ferment
So I could catch a bubble in ascent.
I rode up on one till the bubble burst
And when that left me to sink back reversed
I was no worse off than I was at first.
I'd catch another bubble if I waited.
The thing was to get now and then elated.

--Robert Frost



ranger

I believe the great Ivor Biggun said it best in his opus "I'm a Wanker"

Altogether now- "Im a wanker, Im a wanker, and it does me good like it bloody well should".

[goblin]

full marathons do not prepare you, whatsoever, for flat out mile efforts. But you propose that, by training for a full marathon, and then sharpening you will pull a world record 2k.

You have absolutely no idea what you're doing.

Yikes, you're _really_ naive.

A clown.

A lot of sprinting never made anyone good at rowing.

In rowing, the one with the best stroke wins.

Good stroking is developed at low rates over long distances, working on the effectiveness and efficiency of your technique.

Rowing is primarily skeletal-motor and technical.

It is only secondarily aerobic.

Rowing well for lightweights is 13 SPI; for heavyweights, 16 SPI.

Sure, in rowing, for lightweights like me, at least, a FM @ 22 spm is a great 2K predictor, if you are willing to train for and race a FM.

To do your best for 2K, you can't omit the rest of what needs to be done.

But really, once you know what you can do for a FM @ 22 spm, there is no more mystery.

You know exactly what you will do for 2K once you are fully prepared for it.

A FM @ 22 spm is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

So where is your evidence of world class milers that are doing fast marathons in preparation for the olympics? What was your best SINGLE mile when you were running?

I said nothing about doing lots of sprints to prepare for a 2k. The reality is, training for a 2.5 hour event doesn't have any bearing on a 6 minute event. Your rowing is going to become just like in your marathon days, you're going to get great at running long distances at a mediocre speed. You are going to have a very flat power profile. You don't understand the physiological demands of the sport. Have you noticed the national team doesn't look for full marathon erg scores?

It's great that you were able to do 3 world record rows before you started training like an imbecile. I don't question your genetic and physiological propensity to get back to world record shape, I question your ability to get the hell out of your own way and actually do some proper training.

Furthermore, the abysmal paces you're able to hold on the cycling trainer makes it clear that you aren't able to do what you say you can do on the erg - so you should stop bragging about your sorry 19mph trainer sessions.