Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

how does that have anything to do with whether or not your family is aware or 100% supportive, as you say, of your racing this year?

You must not have a family.

Too bad, but your question is understandable, I suppose, if you have no experience of one.

Are you married?

Do you have children?

Are your parents alive?

Do you have siblings?

Do you have an extended family--cousins, nephews, aunts, uncles, grandparents?

BTW, family are always supportive, but even so, it isn't hard to support my erging, for anyone (friends, acquaintances, strangers like you, etc.).

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

I am _very_ good.

BTW, my brother's son, who has been doing a Ph.D. and post-doc in microbiology at Harvard, has come out twice to see me row at WIRC, the second time with his new wife. Once, I broke the WR; once, I bombed. He was equally supportive in both cases, as family always is.

He is a soccer-player--in his early 30s now. He runs five miles a day, bikes a lot, and even ergs, occasionally.

http://whelanlab.med.harvard.edu/people-cureton.html

ranger

[jlawson58]

Mike--

Even without preparing for it, that is, by just winging it, for the last two years, I have rowed at WR levels for my age and weight.

ranger

Rich- with all due respect- and I hesitate to say this since you have been helpful in giving me tips- but unless you are willing to provide proof of a statement like that there is no reason for anyone to ever believe a thing you say. If you really were doing that you would have done better than the 6:43

I did.

6:41, both years.

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (58–70) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 199

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Brian Bailey 62 Cheltenham GBR 6:51.8 RACE
3 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
3 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
5 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 Oslo NOR 6:57.3 RACE
6 Robert Lakin 60 USA 7:00.6 RACE
7 Gregory Brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 7:02.2 RACE
8 Leif Pedersen 63 DNK 7:02.3 RACE
9 Leif Pedersen 63 DEN 7:02.6 RACE
10 Michael Brownjohn 60 Upminster Essex GBR 7:05.2 IND

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 172

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE

ranger

I said 6:43 or whatever, not 6:43. I couldn't remember your exact time, only that it was in the low 6:40s. The point is, 6:40 something is NOT world record pace like you claim to be capable of.

[ranger]

The point is, 6:40 something is NOT world record pace

For my age (58/59) and weight (lwt)?

Yes, it is.

6:42.5 is the 60s lwt WR.

ranger

[hjs]

The point is, 6:40 something is NOT world record pace

For my age (58/59) and weight (lwt)?

Yes, it is.

6:42.5 is the 60s lwt WR.

ranger

What pace is

7.02
Dns
Dns
Dns

?

Why do you Lie So much?
When are gonna pay your debt to me ?
How often do you visit you AA meetings?

[ranger]

How often do you visit AA meetings?

I thought of going, just to get to know you better, but I haven't had much time lately, given work, family, and rowing.



I belong to AAA, though.



It's good to be able to get a free tow, when you need one.

ranger

[macroth]

how does that have anything to do with whether or not your family is aware or 100% supportive, as you say, of your racing this year?

You must not have a family.

Too bad, but your question is understandable, I suppose, if you have no experience of one.

Are you married?

Do you have children?

Are you parents alive?

Do you have siblings?

Do you have an extended family--cousins, nephews, aunts, uncles, grandparents?

BTW, family are always supportive, but even so, it isn't hard to support my erging, for anyone (friends, acquaintances, strangers like you, etc.).

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

I am _very_ good.

ranger

I'm happy to say my family has always supported me in my endeavours, including when things didn't go quite as planned. They have also been honest enough to let me know when I screwed up or was going down the wrong path.


If I understand correctly, when you fly overseas for a 7' race (literally!), fail to prepare properly and perform poorly even compared to reasonable expectations given your past racing, to say nothing of your boastful predictions, nobody in your family bats an eyelash? When you drive 300 miles for a race, but instead warm up and go home, then do it AGAIN, a few weeks later, none of them frowns for half a second and says you could have thought it through and avoided wasting your weekend?

Gee professor, for an old coot that grumbles about students wanting to be coddled, it sounds like you keep getting A's for effort from your family, no matter what! Ohh, but rangerboo needs all the support he can get, yes he does, coochie coochie coo!

[ranger]

If I understand correctly, when you fly overseas for a 7' race (literally!), fail to prepare properly and perform poorly even compared to reasonable expectations given your past racing, to say nothing of your boastful predictions, nobody in your family bats an eyelash?

Ya can't win 'em all.

I have won all of the major championships (BIRC, WIRC, EIRC), BIRC twice, all in championship record times, two in WR times.

That's pretty good, I'd say.

ranger

[Citroen]

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

Possibly at one point (when the records were still soft) you were. You're not now as your coach and his training plan are crap. You're only as good as the last time when you didn't fail to show up - so that's 7:02 right now which isn't going to beat any of your 60+ peers.

[ranger]

Robert Frost has some good things to say about training.

I teach this poem from _A Further Range_ tomorrow.

On Taking from the Top to Broaden the Base

Roll stones down on our head!
You squat old pyramid,
Your last good avalanche
Was long since slid.

Your top has sunk too low,
Your base has spread too wide,
For you to roll one stone
Down if you tried.

But even at the word
A pebble hit the roof,
Another shot through glass
Demanding proof.

Before their panic hands
Were fighting for the latch,
The mud came in one cold
Unleavened batch.

And none was left to prate
Of an old mountain's case
That still took from its top
To broaden its base.

--Robert Frost

ranger

[ranger]

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

Possibly at one point (when the records were still soft) you were. You're not now as your coach and his training plan are crap. You're only as good as the last time when you didn't fail to show up - so that's 7:02 right now which isn't going to beat any of your 60+ peers.

Naw.

You are as good as your best performances, not your worst, or last.

Anyone who doesn't think so is a UTube video or a facebook page, and has lost their humanity entirely.

Human beings aren't machines.

They sometimes succeed; sometimes, fail.

They think, plan, learn, train, change, etc.

Machines don't.

ranger

[ranger]

Ohh, but rangerboo needs all the support he can get, yes he does, coochie coochie coo!

Sure.

We all do.

Life is hard.

Then you die.

ranger

[jlawson58]

The point is, 6:40 something is NOT world record pace

For my age (58/59) and weight (lwt)?

Yes, it is.

6:42.5 is the 60s lwt WR.

ranger

But you aren't a LWT anymore and you aren't 58/59 any more. Father time stops for no man

[mikvan52]

Mike VB has never had any good rows OTErg.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment as you are dead wrong on most everything

I guess two hammers at CRASH-B means nothing nor does beating Roy Brook, the WR holder.
Bringing stuff up like this shouldn't be necessary.

Other erg achievement example: 55-59 lwt 60 min piece = best ever recorded in the rankings

Short distance: 1:30.x 500m = multiple times as a lwt...

Why not share your 55-59 lwt scores, Rich?
5k: I'm better
500m: I'm better
60': I'm better.
2k: I'm 4 seconds off your time.

And as for good tips from ranger... what beyond the very basics?
Anyone care to share them...? What has ranger posted here that is original good advice other than "row quality meters" ?~ a vague blanket statement that is so fundamental as to be puerile! I've been watching for years for something.

Rich's training doesn't get him out of the locker room most times. What a valuable team mate that would make him in an eight!

[ben990]

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

Possibly at one point (when the records were still soft) you were. You're not now as your coach and his training plan are crap. You're only as good as the last time when you didn't fail to show up - so that's 7:02 right now which isn't going to beat any of your 60+ peers.

Please don't feed the troll.

[Citroen]

I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport.

Possibly at one point (when the records were still soft) you were. You're not now as your coach and his training plan are crap. You're only as good as the last time when you didn't fail to show up - so that's 7:02 right now which isn't going to beat any of your 60+ peers.

Please don't feed the troll.

Touché