Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

When a training forum is no longer interested in orderly training, it not only serves no productive purpose.

It is dangerously misinformed/misguided.

Caveat lector.

The people responding to me here know not what they say or do.

Their own poor training and racing corroborates this fact.

ranger

[macroth]

dangerously misinformed/misguided.

Caveat lector.

Indeed!!

[mikvan52]

Based on this I think a mass-produced "ranger doll" is in order... To honor your 'unprecedented virtual achievements'
eg:

My next project is several months of distance rowing and then distance trials.

Rich:
"next project"? What was your last project? To pretend to do what you say is your "next project"?

(BTW: I've finally figured out why ranger double spaces his posts..... to look bigger than he is.}

Rich:
I'm sorry your work is interfering with garnering the fruits of your Sisyphean labors. Boy are you lucky you won't have that excuse for much longer. Just think of all the 6:16s you'll be erging then! In the meantime: Ever consider using more conventional training methods? Ones that allow others, mere mortals, to race on fewer claimed meters of training??
In relation to that:
I've been wondering if you've ever found someone stupid enough to attempt to do what you say you are doing in these endless posts. Posts that never include ordinary parameters of distance/time/& rate of uninterrupted work.

Do you know that on my mundane erg training I've rowed in the mid 6:50's twice this year w/o all the build up and fol-de-rol you exhibit. You've done one 7:0x. Sort of weak for you, isn't it? Haven't you been well? I haven't either. Won't complain though. It the erger's HTFU code...

Anyways, back to business... I guess it's the erg scores that matter the most on these pages.
What are yours from Sept 2010-2011? Done any timed pieces? ANY?

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I suppose you're not going to be doing your bobble head routine in Boston for what is now the 7th (?) straight year. Enjoy your tripeing (I mean) typing, instead. I'd still like to see a youtube demo of you actually ding whatever spi you say you're "happy with" for an uninterrupted 2k erg piece...
As for me, I probably stop posting here for a while as you are getting all so very predictable and boring the socks off me.

[ranger]

dangerously misinformed/misguided.

Caveat lector.

Indeed!!

So, as a 32-year-old heavyweight, over 2K, you are rowing a minute slower than the best rowers in your age and weight division.

15 seconds per 500m.

Why?

ranger

[ranger]

Enjoy your tripeing (I mean) typing

i put in another 20K of my sub-threshold "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm, 12.7 SPI, and a 3.6-to-1 ratio this morning.

This rowing continues to feel better and better, as I learn to relax more and more and work out inconsistencies in my technique.

I'll be pushing that 20K to 40K over the next month or so.

I am delighted with these developments.

1:42 is faster than you can row for 2K at 9 SPI and 36 spm in a 1-to-1 ratio.

It helps your training plans to be able to recognize real tripe when you run into it.

There is just no reason at all to spend hundred of hours on the erg, as you do, training yourself to be bad.

ranger

[macroth]

dangerously misinformed/misguided.

Caveat lector.

Indeed!!

So, as a 32-year-old heavyweight, over 2K, you are rowing a minute slower than the best rowers in your age and weight division.

15 seconds per 500m.

Why?

ranger

Owe noes, you hurt my fweelings!

The reasons are many, but what's that got to do with you essentially DNS'ing an entire racing season this year?

For what it's worth, I set a goal of beating my PB from 11 years ago, back in my rowing days, and reached it. On only 3 months of erg-specific training. If you need any tips, let me know!

[ranger]

For what it's worth, I set a goal of beating my PB from 11 years ago, back in my rowing days, and reached it.

Congrats.

But that doesn't have much at all to do with what I am doing.

The goal I have set for myself to be a dozen seconds better than I was when I did my WR rows back in 2003.

As far as I can tell, so far, my training is right on target.

ranger

[mikvan52]

i put in another 20K of my sub-threshold...rowing at 26 spm, 12.7 SPI, and a 3.6-to-1 ratio this morning.

I await the IND_V or screen shot of same.
IOW: Please detail the heart rate readings and overall time it took you.

No one believes you, Rich. Give it up: Mr "As far as I can tell, so far,"

To put it another way:
If you can do 20k at 12.7 spi at a 26, then post an IND_V 2k at a 26 and we'll sort out the truth of the matter.
(Putz!)

[macroth]

i put in another 20K of my sub-threshold "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" rowing at 26 spm, 12.7 SPI, and a 3.6-to-1 ratio this morning.

Liar. When you stepped off the erg this morning, your monitor did not read 20000m - 26spm - 01:08:00 or anything close.

Why do you lie so much?

[ranger]

macroth--

If you wanted to row at WR levels for your age and weight, the first thing to do would be to spend three or four hours a day for a few years on your general fitness.

Then, you would need to spend a few years at low rates working on technique in order to raise your natural stroking power to (at least) 16 SPI.

Then, you would need to spend a few years working up your distance rowing until you could do 18.5K for 60min.

Then!

Then!

You could sharpen and race and be ready to try to hit your 2K target.

ranger

[ranger]

I await the IND_V or screen shot of same.

Sure.

I'll also post some videos of my technique now, to see what you think, along with some videos of my force currve during this rowing, so you can check that out, too.

I now get pretty much all of the PM4 screen at the peak of my force curve.

135 kgF in the first .1 seconds of my drive.

119 df.

Shoulders and arms relaxed.

Quick legs.

119 df.

What seems to be assumed, but can't be, though, is that rowing of this sort is just a momentary performance, rather than the result of a long training process.

Ridiculous stuff.

Any distance rowing of this sort by a 60s lwt, of necessity, must be preceded by _years_ of work on full-body fitness (at level 1), stroking effectiveness and efficiency (at level 2), and distance rowing (at level 3).

ranger

[mikvan52]

If you wanted to row at WR levels for your age and weight, the first thing to do would be to spend three or four hours a day for a few years on your general fitness.

Haven't seen any WR levels from ranger in years... Which leads us to wonder about this advice..

C'est triste! So much hamster action yanking a chain in a basement with what result since the hay-day of 2003?

"Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux
Et fondez-vous en eau
La moitie de ma vie
A mis l'autre au tombeau"
- Pierre Corneille

[mikvan52]

I await the IND_V or screen shot of same.

Sure.

"Sure"... (yawn)



Then go down to the bat-cave, pull out your Brownie Starlite, and take a snap shot of the cowboy shenanigans you were up to today.
PUoSU! (PUT UP or Shut Up)

[ranger]

i put in another 20K of my sub-threshold...rowing at 26 spm, 12.7 SPI, and a 3.6-to-1 ratio this morning.

I await the IND_V or screen shot of same.
IOW: Please detail the heart rate readings and overall time it took you.

No one believes you, Rich. Give it up: Mr "As far as I can tell, so far,"

To put it another way:
If you can do 20k at 12.7 spi at a 26, then post an IND_V 2k at a 26 and we'll sort out the truth of the matter.
(Putz!)

Impatience never got anyone anywhere, Mike.

No need to recommend it to others.

I _already_ have three WR rows, achieved in similar ways, through patient training.

My goals are now well beyond that and therefore can only be pursued patiently, too.

OTErg, you don't have anything of the sort--if your talk here is any indication, for good reason.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Even without preparing for it, that is, by just winging it, for the last two years, I have rowed at WR levels for my age and weight.

Racing fully prepared, ou haven't.

All things considered, I am happy with my performances.

And I continue to be delighted with my training.

Have you been happy/delighted with yours?

ranger