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Post by ranger » May 17th, 2008, 9:05 am

mikvan52 wrote:How do get 30 spm avg out of that?
I said you can only do 11 SPI @ 30 spm for 2K.

I didn't say you couldn't row 33 spm or 40 spm or whatever (60 spm), all else disregarded.

Anyone can zip up and down the rail if their technique is so shitty they are not pulling any water!

Your manipulation of rate is meaningless if it all comes out to 1:41 pace.

When you are doing 40 spm, you are only pulling 8.5 SPI.

Why bother?

Just keep rowing 11 SPI at 30 spm.

If you always lighten your stroke when you lift the rate, all of the theatrics are just an empty show.

Hold your technique together and lift the rate to 40 spm.

Then you'll have something.

11 SPI @ 40 spm is 1:32.7.

At Baltimore in 2006, I pulled 1:38 @ 31 spm for 1700m.

Then, holding my technique together, I raised the rate to 35 spm for the last 300m.

1:38 @ 31 spm is 12 SPI.

12 SPI @ 35 spm is 1:34.

Result: 6:29.7.

I was still struggling with technique back then, though, and I was only doing foundational rowing in my training.

I am much better than that now.

This winter, with my technique entirely fixed, and with a half a year of distance rowing and sharpening, which I am doing between now and then, I'll pull 13 SPI, not 12.

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Post by NavigationHazard » May 17th, 2008, 11:14 am

From the UK Forum:
NavigationHazard wrote:
PaulS wrote:Careful now, [Stephansen's] rating R36, and that flies in the face of the R40+ claims to being the "end all be all" for lwt Men's Indoor racing. Could it be an attempt to get the stroke count more in line with what has been suggested? 8)
Actually Paul he's probably rating about 38 in the clip. Here's a graph of his rating, from the official stroke data:

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Median rating at the 721 data points in the C2 series was 39. Average rating for the 721 data points was 40.8. He rated 36 at only three data points, roughly metres 542 through 550. From 1465m to the finish he was over at least 40 spm.
To be factual, the Open LW was set at an average of about 11.6 spi at what the PM4 would round off to 41 spm. As it is the fastest LW performance of all time, by definition it ought to be regarded as ideal and archetypical.
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Post by mikvan52 » May 17th, 2008, 6:29 pm

ranger wrote:(snip)

Anyone can zip up and down the rail if their technique is so shitty they are not pulling any water!

Your manipulation of rate is meaningless if it all comes out to 1:41 pace.

When you are doing 40 spm, you are only pulling 8.5 SPI.

Why bother?
"Why bother?"

When a rower is tired: he or she has to exchange rate for pace.

A sprint at a higher rate is an insurance policy that the guy behind you doesn't pass you.... Get it yet?

I'm confused: "up and down the rail" + "moving water"
Are you delusional? Erg's don't float
And on the water it's the boat that is moving not the water....(quack?)
ranger wrote:
At Baltimore in 2006, I pulled 1:38 @ 31 spm for 1700m.

Then, holding my technique together, I raised the rate to 35 spm for the last 300m.

(snip)

Result: 6:29.7.
"6:29.7" is one of your many heavyweight results.

Apples and Oranges. Please stay on topic.

I see you exchange rate for pace too... in the "last 300 meters"
'Tis hard being human, mon ami. :P

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