Ranger's training thread

[JimR]

So your rowing is a down market

... The traditional training plans for rowing are like diets that make you fat.

OK ... that made a lot of sense. So what you are saying financially (erging) is that "pigs get slaughtered" (you rowing a 7:02 because you have no idea what your pace should be so you went out too fast). So better to find a "safe haven" for your cash to grow (you hiding in the basement claiming everyday your going to go faster than everyone) while you wait for the next market rally (you turning 60 so you have a new bunch of people to trash talk about).

I think I'm getting it now!!!

JimR

[ranger]

So what you are saying

The goal is to end up rich, not to make the maximal amount from moment-to-moment on each transaction.

Invest for the long term.

Pigs get slaughtered.

ranger

[ranger]

you hiding in the basement

No, I am racing at race venues for the next six straight weekends.

Indianapolis, Toronto, Cleveland, Boston, Chicago, Detroit.

I suspect that no one else is.

I race more than anyone.

I have done the same, year after year, even though I haven't been training to race.

The last two years, I have pulled WR pace for my age and weight (6:41), the best 2Ks in my age and weight division (55s lwts)--by far.

Last year, no one my age (59) and weight (or older) came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 172

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 Gregory Brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE

This year, I suspect that gap will grow to 40 seconds.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, this year, at WIRC 2011, I'll try to win the 60s hwt hammer.

Better, if I row well, I think I should challenge Paul Hendershott's 60s hwt WR of 6:23.8.

I won the 50s lwt hammer in 2003 and had three consecutive lightweight WR rows.

No male erger under 70 years old has ever won both lightweight and heavyweight hammer, much less had both lightweight and heavyweight WR rows.

No wonder.

It is a highly improbable event, given that, at present, through the 60s, the lightweight and heavyweight WRs are separated by 20 seconds.

19–29 HWT Rob Waddell New Zealand 5:38.3 1999
LWT Henrik Stephansen Denmark 5:58.5 2009
30–39 HWT Rob Waddell New Zealand 5:36.6 2008
LWT Eskild Ebbesen Denmark 6:06.4 2004
40–49 HWT Nik Fleming United Kingdom 5:57.5 2009
LWT Mike Caviston U.S.A. 6:18.2 2002
50–54 HWT Andy Ripley United Kingdom 6:07.7 1998
LWT Paul Siebach U.S.A. 6:25.1 2009
55–59 HWT Dick Cashin U.S.A. 6:18.6 2009
LWT Roy Brook United Kingdom 6:38.1 2006
60–64 HWT Paul Hendershott U.S.A. 6:23.7 2004
LWT Brian Bailey United Kingdom 6:42.5 2007

If I best Hendershott's 60s hwt WR, it will be a pb.

I will row 5+ seconds faster over 2K than I rowed as a heavyweight 10 years ago.

ranger

P.S. In 2003, I won the 50s hwt silver, rowing as a lightweight.

[ranger]

For me, 6:24 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:33.

For me, 6:20 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:32.

For me, 6:16 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m 3:30 rest) @ 1:31.

ranger

[MRapp]

For me, 6:24 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:33.

For me, 6:20 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:32.

For me, 6:16 for 2K is predicted by 8 x 500m 3:30 rest) @ 1:31.

ranger

Sure, all of these are true. Unfortunately you'll never do any of them. The act of saying something on a forum 500 times doesn't make it inevitably true. How about actually doing the session for once instead of just talking about what it would look like and predict if you did it. You also talk about your FM world record that you'll be doing tomorrow or the next day after you turn 60. Is that one scheduled on the books yet, or are you still just taking it a day at a time and maybe doing it sometime after you turn 60? If you've scheduled it please let us know, I'd like to tune back in to see the screenshot.

[ranger]

Sure, all of these are true. Unfortunately you'll never do any of them.

No evidence for this claim at all.

Just ignorance and ill will.

ranger

[ranger]

How about actually doing the session

Sure.

Six weeks of sharpening and racing to go in the winter racing season.

I have been spending a lot of time lately on my "Steamroller" sessions, because I find them so productive.

This morning, I was getting regularly to 1:44 @ 22 spm (14.2 SPI), just naturally, in my "Steamroller" rowing.

119 df., 4.2-to-1 ratio.

That's _enormously_ encouraging.

30min at 14.5 SPI and 20 spm (1:46) predicts a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[MRapp]

Sure, all of these are true. Unfortunately you'll never do any of them.

No evidence for this claim at all.

Just ignorance and ill will.

ranger

Okay. I know you don't wager anymore, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money we don't see a 8x500 screenshot any time in the next 6 weeks. As usual, I hope you prove me wrong. How about the FM? You didn't mention anything about your plans. Not really looking for another post about what you'll pull if you ever attempt to do it...looking more for a specific date in which you will do it.

[bellboy]

Sure, all of these are true. Unfortunately you'll never do any of them.

No evidence for this claim at all.

Just ignorance and ill will.

ranger

Okay. I know you don't wager anymore, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money we don't see a 8x500 screenshot any time in the next 6 weeks. As usual, I hope you prove me wrong. How about the FM? You didn't mention anything about your plans. Not really looking for another post about what you'll pull if you ever attempt to do it...looking more for a specific date in which you will do it.

No evidence? Ill will? Everyone he posts knows that you wont post a complete training screenshot. You only ever post post about 2o secs of erging. You could not do two 500/1.33 let alone eight. We will come back here in six weeks and be proved correct as_per_usual.

[mrfit]

Even though neither I nor my wife ever did anything that was aimed at making money, through frugal living, consistent savings, and good investments, we now are pretty much debt free, own two half million dollar houses, have a million dollars in retirement savings, and have two forty-year long claims on social security benefits. So, my wife is retiring in a couple of weeks; I am retiring in two years. We have plenty of assets to be independently wealthy for the rest of our lives.
ranger

Nice illusion. The Door County property in the tax records in owned by a Cureton Family Trust of which I'm sure your brother is interested in since the FMV estimate the county puts on it is $411,900.

You own a small parcel in your name, as does your brother. The county records a FMV of $38,900.

Additionally, your house in Ann Arbor is taxed at a value of just $155,192.00. Not to be a stickler, but that's not $500,000.

[leadville]

Well. In a few all-too-short days, rangerboy will (or more accurately, may) "parade his strengths" in an actual public venue, where he will certainly attempt to regain what little credibility he has left after his recent display of rowing-with-breaks-as-a-race-strategy-in-a-race-on-the-other-side-of-the-globe, a strategy that left him 58+ seconds slower than he's been trying to convince himself is, indeed, possible.

Ya gotta love a guy who purports to give others advice, then blows up after spending a grand or so to do so in public. That is, you'd have to love him if he wasn't such a ^*&%^&%$)&)%$#$@@#. Instead, because he is as described herein, you...can't.

Indy is an interesting venue; there were fewer than a dozen 50+ male competitors at the line last year. As rangerboy won't have to weigh in or fly there, he may have to spend a good bit of time coming up with a new excuse for his failure to achieve - much less come anywhere near - his oft-cited 6:16.

I'll stick with my 6:49.5 projection. But only with the proviso that rangerboy actually races, an uncertainty at best.

[ranger]

Even though neither I nor my wife ever did anything that was aimed at making money, through frugal living, consistent savings, and good investments, we now are pretty much debt free, own two half million dollar houses, have a million dollars in retirement savings, and have two forty-year long claims on social security benefits. So, my wife is retiring in a couple of weeks; I am retiring in two years. We have plenty of assets to be independently wealthy for the rest of our lives.
ranger

Nice illusion. The Door County property in the tax records in owned by a Cureton Family Trust of which I'm sure your brother is interested in since the FMV estimate the county puts on it is $411,900.

You own a small parcel in your name, as does your brother. The county records a FMV of $38,900.

Additionally, your house in Ann Arbor is taxed at a value of just $155,192.00. Not to be a stickler, but that's not $500,000.

You are quoting SEVs, not taxable values. As it stands now, taxable values in Michigan are also not market values. Double your numbers and then add some.

ranger

[ranger]

You could not do two 500/1.33 let alone eight.

No evidence for this--whatsoever.

ranger

[ranger]

I know you don't wager anymore, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money we don't see a 8x500 screenshot any time in the next 6 weeks.

If I do the workout, I'll post the screenshot.

But I don't see how this matters, unless someone can best my 2K over the course of the racing season.

In 2006, I pulled 6:29.7 without doing 8 x 500m.

There are lots of ways to train.

Obviously, mine are great; otherwise, I wouldn't be the best.

And to say this is not to say that I won't do 8 x 500m.

It is indeed a good sharpening workout--and one that I intend to do repeatedly.

My pb on the workout is 1:33.5.

ranger