The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by ausrwr » February 22nd, 2010, 10:30 am

And you have how many WRs at the moment?
Dickhead.
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Post by BrianStaff » February 22nd, 2010, 12:31 pm

snowleopard wrote:Did they use venue racing software in Cleveland?
It looks like they did - see here:

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I could not find any photo of TSO though
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Post by bloomp » February 22nd, 2010, 2:43 pm

According to Discover's "20 ways the world could end" article:
Mass insanity:
While physical health has improved in most parts of the world over the past century, mental health is getting worse. The World Health Organization estimates that 500 million people around the world suffer from a psychological disorder. By 2020, depression will likely be the second leading cause of death and lost productivity, right behind cardiovascular disease. Increasing human life spans may actually intensify the problem, because people have more years to experience the loneliness and infirmity of old age. Americans over 65 already are disproportionately likely to commit suicide. Gregory Stock, a biophysicist at the University of California at Los Angeles, believes medical science will soon allow people to live to be 200 or older. If such an extended life span becomes common, it will pose unfathomable social and psychological challenges. Perhaps 200 years of accumulated sensations will overload the human brain, leading to a new kind of insanity or fostering the spread of doomsday cults, determined to reclaim life's endpoint. Perhaps the current trends of depression and suicide among the elderly will continue. One possible solution— promoting a certain kind of mental well-being with psychoactive drugs such as Prozac— heads into uncharted waters. Researchers have no good data on the long-term effects of taking these medicines.
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Post by bellboy » February 22nd, 2010, 4:11 pm

A fine performance on sunday and i offer my heartiest congratulations. However you are still an obnoxious twat and im still a naysayer

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Post by TomR » February 22nd, 2010, 8:23 pm

hjs wrote:
TomR wrote:
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How about haile ;-) I think she always looks lovely.
Halle does spark the lust. Sharpening optional.

I feel confident that with her, there would be no risk of the dreaded handle down.

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Post by jliddil » February 22nd, 2010, 10:15 pm

And why don't we start posting the Sport Illustrated bathing suit pics of the Olympians. At least that's sports related. Might as well rename this form male training

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Post by TomR » February 22nd, 2010, 11:43 pm

jliddil wrote:And why don't we start posting the Sport Illustrated bathing suit pics of the Olympians. At least that's sports related. Might as well rename this form male training
if the choice is between ranger's bullshit or good looking women, the answer should be easy

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Post by Carl Watts » February 22nd, 2010, 11:45 pm

jliddil wrote:And why don't we start posting the Sport Illustrated bathing suit pics of the Olympians. At least that's sports related. Might as well rename this form male training
Why not ? I only look at this thread for the pictures ! :D
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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 2:18 am

The trick for little lightweights like me is to learn to keep a high rating--automatically, habitually--in distance rowing (60min, etc.) without sacrificing technique.

It seems outrageous, I guess, but I think it should be possible for a little lightweight, once you are warmed up, to learn to keep the rate as high as 30-32 spm, rather than 24 spm, as the IP Plan and other training manuals seem to recommend.

I used to do this, but with much poorer technique, that is, with a stroke that was as much as 3 SPI weaker.

I kept the rate high but at the sacrifice of technique.

Now, the challenge før me as I prepare for distance trials is to get my day-to-day distance rowing up to that rate again, now _without_ sacrificing technique.

"Threshold" rowing.

This would be great for my OTW rowing.

If Mike VB could rate 32 spm at the Head of the Charles, he would win, hands down.

Unfortunately, when he holds his technique together, in a 5K, Mike rates about 24 spm rather than 32 spm.

He does even like to rate as high as 32 spm in a 1K.

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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 2:28 am

lancs wrote:
hjs wrote:1 DNS
2 7.11
3 DNS
4 DNS
5 6.41
I'm sorry your season hasn't gone quite as anticipated Prof and that you still haven't managed to best Roy's time for your age and weight category.
My competition is not even racing anymore, perhaps not even training hard.

Oh well.

I have two regattas left.

Then I have a couple of months of hard sharpening, distance trials, and racing to try to bring out my training base fully and reach the limits of my ability for 2K.

I am at weight and rowing well.

I suspect that Roy's rowing is now somewhere near Mike VB's, as it always has been.

That is, he probalbly can't get within 10 seconds of what he could do when he was 55.

6:48?

The years take their toll.

I think I will still get to 6:16.

Heck, you can't get better without working hard at it, though.

Not sure why Mike and Roy think you can.

The 39-minutes a day thing is a real laugher.

The "Bohrer" plan.

Useless stuff.

PaulS's training is pretty much just race preparation, too.

That won't make you better.

Ya gets what ya pays fa.

BTW, I'll catch your best 2K time in Chicago in two weeks.

Then I'll go on by you and get another dozen seconds over 2K from my training in March and April.

Not sure why you want to be rowing like a 60-year-old.

To each his own, I guess.

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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 3:30 am

For the next 10 weeks, after I am warmed up, I can keep the rate up to at least 30 spm and my HR up to at least 160 bpm in all of my rowing.

For most 60-year-olds, 160 bpm is max.

My maxHR is 190 bpm.

If I put in two hours a day of this, in 10 weeks, I will bring out my entire training base and make it available for racing.

No foundational rowing, UT2 or UT1, outside of warm ups.

All AT, TR, and AN.

BTW, it looks as though I can indeed row 30-32 spm under my anaerobic threshold, and now, without sacrificing my technique.

Nice!

Once my HR is up to max and responding quickly, I will be able to draw fully on this distance base.

It appears to be as much as 8 seconds per 500m faster than it used to be.

:shock: :shock:

In rowing, technique matters.

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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 3:39 am

ausrwr wrote:And you have how many WRs at the moment?
"Moment itme" again.

If it ain't happenin' now, it ain't happenin'.

Stupid stuff.

Training takes time.

_Every_ significant accomplishment takes time.

If you don't have any patience, you will never accomplish anything.

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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 3:43 am

I think I will pull sub-6:30 this weekend in Chicago.

I just need to rate 32 spm and row well, taking good strokes.

This will just be a solid AT effort.

I haven't really gotten one yet.

Once I get one, I can then work these AT pieces into 4 x 2K in my training at home.

32 spm, rowing well.

Then I will want to do a 5K trial at 32 spm.

4 x 2K is done at about 5K pace.

If I can keep the rate up as high as 32 spm for 5K, I'll pb by a country mile, perhaps as much as five seconds per 500m.

My 5K pb is 1:43/17:10.

16:20 for 5K is just about as fast as any lightweight has ever logged into the C2 website.

Dan Staite has done 16:18.

What does Dan row for 2K?

What do you know?

6:16.

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Post by ArmandoChavezUNC » February 23rd, 2010, 3:51 am

I tend to stay away from the circus that is any thread concerning you ranger, but I just couldn't resist - why in the world do you feel the need to post 5 times in a row? Learn to use real sentences and paragraphs.
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Post by ranger » February 23rd, 2010, 3:58 am

ArmandoChavezUNC wrote: tend to stay away from the circus that is any thread concerning you ranger
Yea, it's fun being master of ceremonies for all the clowns who post regularly on my zany threads.

Glad to hear you're not one of them.

Jump through the hoop!

Catch the peanut!

There's not much interest in rowing here, even though I am in the final stages of preparation for the best row in the history of the sport:

A lwt 6:16 at 60.

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