Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ginster » November 18th, 2010, 6:29 am

given that you appear to believe that you are better than everyone, at everything - why did you bother going to see a financial advisor?

You won't take advice from anyone - so why ask for it?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 18th, 2010, 7:18 am

ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote:
What about BIRC?
I am not training for specific events, Kevin.

I am training myself to row to the limits of my potential.

(snip)
1:39.5 is WR pace, even for a 55-year-old.....
We need read no further..
RICH-man is giving himself a fall-back pace... already:

IOW:

TSO has given up, thrown in the towel. The "6:20" 2k is out the window... yet again :roll: .
Our lonely little "fruit loop" lies soggy in his cereal bowl...
All that sharpening ~ and what do we get?
One... Miniscule... Gelatinous...
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... and the milk has melted away the sugar coating
Very unpalatable!

Run along to class little Richard, don't let those mean nay-saying bullies hold you to task either. This was a free country last time we looked. We can do (or not do) anything we never could do. I believe in you. You don't have to ever try anything on my account. I love you because you are so endearingly un-specific about when you will ever meet a deadline.
.... so said Juice Lady.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 18th, 2010, 7:35 am

ranger wrote: As I said, at BIRC 2010, I will rate 30 spm and see how it goes.


At 30 spm, I now pull 1:37.

ranger
SO: Today's TSO answer to the pop quiz is:

"I will go out at 6:28 pace... rate limited..."

Somehow I am unable to bend my mind around how this is known as racing. Racers do not limit their rate for an entire 2k... so in a few posts I expect to hear how BIRC 2010 can be seen as a sub-max workout where he will not even be trying.

I still wonder why you can't do a r 30 workout at home...
The wattage output will drop from 383.5 watts (1:37 pace) unless the ranger-mouse relents and raises his rate.

We do remember don't we that Rich has never shown us a single 2k in his carefully crafted whacko-SPI world of (what is it today?) 12.75 joule/seconds.
We have poked and prodded with our nay-sayer's goads asking: "How far have you ever gotten at these magical 12.75 joule/second numbers?" .....(well).... the silence is deafening at this point.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » November 18th, 2010, 7:48 am

ranger wrote:As I said, at BIRC 2010, I will rate 30 spm and see how it goes.
No, that isn't what you said. You said you would rate 31. Why? Because 13 SPI at 31 SPM is a 6:20.

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BTW it will be a real suck for all 2012 Olympians and their coaches to learn that they can't "force their training" to chime with a particular event. :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 18th, 2010, 7:57 am

Ever notice?
For many: "Philosophy: Is the back of a cereal box. Religion: Is a smile on a doll"

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ranger wrote: Human beings are well intentioned, but by and large, considering our almost unlimited potential, we have rocks for brains.
... a curious opinion. I got over this one after a close reading of Genesis.

"our almost unlimited potential"?

(strictly speaking then... "limited")?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » November 18th, 2010, 8:25 am

snowleopard wrote:BTW it will be a real suck for all 2012 Olympians and their coaches to learn that they can't "force their training" to chime with a particular event. :roll:
SL, are you going to BIRC this year? It would be nice to say hi.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JimR » November 18th, 2010, 8:37 am

ranger wrote:
ginster wrote:Hey Ranger,
Aren't you flying today - how's that at home 2k trial coming along?
I am teaching from 9 a.m.-3 p.m. today.

So, no, planes are not coming immediately to whisk me away to Birmingham.

ranger
So when you made the plane reservations you would have known that you also had to work today ... and yet all along you have been yapping about the 2K prediction you were going to do ... to determine what you are actually capable of a BIRC. It appears that was actually never going to happen ... however, this should be no surprise.

I like how the tone of your postings changed as BIRC got closer .... from a 6:16 2K "lock" to "I do what what training allows me to do" and now (today) all the way to ignoring BIRC to talk about WIRC.

It reminds me of a quote ... "Those who fail to plan are planning to fail".

I quite sure you won't disappoint over the coming days ... I can't wait to see how this chapter ends!

JimR

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 18th, 2010, 9:14 am

Hey is there a way to extract all the posts from a thread?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Steve G » November 18th, 2010, 9:17 am

ranger wrote:
macroth wrote: Patience, sweety, in a few days you'll show the world just how far you are from reaching that goal.
Sure, soury, but WIRC is not in a few days.

It will come along after three more months of sharpening.


Sharpening has nothing to do with how well you row.

It is just a pill you have to take--in terms of training, like a placebo, that has no effect whatsoever on the quality of your rowing.

My base is right on my target: UT2 is 1:49 @ 21 spm; UT1 is 1:44 @ 24 spm.

I just need to sharpen up this base, and I'll hit all of my targets, including my 2K target.

ranger
Rich
Why do you need so looooong to sharpen, havent you always said everybody sharpens in the same way, 6-8 weeks?
You seem to need another 3 months to prepare, shades of 2004 when you went to BIRC, warmed up and then watched the race as your stroke wasn't ready!
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » November 18th, 2010, 9:28 am

jliddil wrote:Hey is there a way to extract all the posts from a thread?
You may be able to do that with GNU WGET.
http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html

I've never tried because I'm not THAT bored.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 18th, 2010, 9:32 am

Steve G wrote:shades of 2004 when you went to BIRC, warmed up and then watched the race as your stroke wasn't ready!
My stroke is fine.

That's what I worked on for the last six years.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

On Sunday morning, I'll rate 30 spm and see what happens.

Rowing well at low drag, at 30 spm, I now go along at 1:37.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 18th, 2010, 9:33 am

BTW, 1:37 is faster than the 60s lwt WR for 1K.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 18th, 2010, 9:35 am

JimR wrote:It reminds me of a quote ... "Those who fail to plan are planning to fail".
Actually, it is only repeated failure that predict success.

It is repeated success that predicts failure.

Those who are afraid of failure never do anything significant.

Those who succeed impressively also fail, and often frequently; but it doesn't bother them.

Playing it safe is something anyone can do over their lunch hour, no effort needed.

Those who are afraid of failure are just bores and boors who flatter themselves with low goals.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 18th, 2010, 9:46 am

Citroen wrote:
jliddil wrote:Hey is there a way to extract all the posts from a thread?
You may be able to do that with GNU WGET.
http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html

I've never tried because I'm not THAT bored.
Bored? Nope creating a movie script. :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » November 18th, 2010, 10:13 am

ranger wrote:
JimR wrote:It reminds me of a quote ... "Those who fail to plan are planning to fail".
Actually, it is only repeated failure that predict success.

It is repeated success that predicts failure.

Those who are afraid of failure never do anything significant.

Those who succeed impressively also fail, and often frequently; but it doesn't bother them.

Playing it safe is something anyone can over their lunch hour, no effort needed.

Those who are afraid of failure are just bores and boors who flatter themselves with low goals.

ranger
Your love of Newspeak notwhitstanding, there is nothing admirable about setting ridiculous goals for oneself and failing predictably, especially when those goals have become demonstrably further out of reach with each passing year, in spite of or because of your misguided efforts.

You're a bore and a boor who flatters himself with unattainable goals. Forget fear of failure. You're such a coward you're even afraid of performing at your best possible level! You'd rather sabotage your training and make up excuses, lest your best possible level end up falling, say, 20-30 seconds short of your stated goal.
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