New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

[Dangerscouse]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Tickling the edges of a PB is exactly where you needed to be.

Some days are notably better than others and I'm guessing you decided prior to sitting down that you were going to do a TT?

Well done mate, and your last two splits show that you definitely did have some energy left.

8100m is within your grasp on a better day

[winniewinser]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Looks bloody amazing to me! Any PB is worth a shout from the rooftops but one you battled hard for even more so.

Congrats

[MartinSH4321]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Tickling the edges of a PB is exactly where you needed to be.

Some days are notably better than others and I'm guessing you decided prior to sitting down that you were going to do a TT?

Well done mate, and your last two splits show that you definitely did have some energy left.

8100m is within your grasp on a better day

Thanks mate! I guess that's the feeling you experienced rowers have at every TT, maybe for you the pain starts even earlier... I won't do as much TTs as I do now when that gets the normal feeling for TTs
I'll soon get that extra 41m, I'm in no hurry

[MartinSH4321]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Looks bloody amazing to me! Any PB is worth a shout from the rooftops but one you battled hard for even more so.

Congrats

Thank you, today I feel exactly this way!

[Dangerscouse]

Thanks mate! I guess that's the feeling you experienced rowers have at every TT, maybe for you the pain starts even earlier... I won't do as much TTs as I do now when that gets the normal feeling for TTs
I'll soon get that extra 41m, I'm in no hurry

For me the pain doesn't start until I'm about two thirds through any TT, but the doubts creep in at about halfway!

You need to recategorise the pain as something that is more tolerable and even something you enjoy. Don't let it become something you want to avoid. Try and smile to yourself when it does start hurting as this sends different messages to your brain and helps soften the overall feeling of pressure.

Pain doesn't always have to be perceived as something to avoid.

[hjs]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Congrats, but can,t stand in the shadow of your short work.

[jimmyshand]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had.

Well done Martin. We should just start a "Martin's PBs" thread on the forum! It would be very active.

I reckon the 'almost quit but didn't' type of PBs are worth a lot. I'm sure you'll be back on the saddle rowing your way past 8,100 soon.

[MartinSH4321]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had. I was so confident to reach 8.100m and the first 15min felt pretty good, but at about 12min to go it got worse and worse. Till 6min to go I considered quitting every few seconds, the legs hurted and I had to slow a bit down to convince me not to quit. The last minutes were better, but I had no energy left, normally I always have a fast finish, this time I was happy to finish at all.
Now it's a strange feeling, I hope my sprint PB yesterday is the reason for this super-hard attempt and next time I can go for 8.100m, but it's also stupid to be disappointed when getting a PB.
I'm really happy that I struggled through this 30min, in the long run this will help at other TT when it's on the edge.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 8,059m 1:51.6 251 1164 26
3:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 24
6:00.0 801m 1:52.3 247 1149 24
9:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 24
12:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
15:00.0 802m 1:52.2 248 1152 25
18:00.0 799m 1:52.6 245 1142 26
21:00.0 800m 1:52.5 246 1146 26
24:00.0 796m 1:53.0 242 1133 28
27:00.0 809m 1:51.2 254 1174 32
30:00.0 840m 1:47.1 285 1279 32

Congrats, but can,t stand in the shadow of your short work.

Thanks, I see it positive, more space for improvements!

[MartinSH4321]

30min PB - 8059m (+36m)

This was the hardest TT I ever had.

Well done Martin. We should just start a "Martin's PBs" thread on the forum! It would be very active.

I reckon the 'almost quit but didn't' type of PBs are worth a lot. I'm sure you'll be back on the saddle rowing your way past 8,100 soon.

good idea, but I fear my frequence of PBs will get lower and lower when newbie gains are out.

[hjs]

Thanks, I see it positive, more space for improvements!

Yes, if you did train for the shorter work you could do some real demage.
You mostly train for endurance but your genetics let your short work still improve more.

[MartinSH4321]

Thanks mate! I guess that's the feeling you experienced rowers have at every TT, maybe for you the pain starts even earlier... I won't do as much TTs as I do now when that gets the normal feeling for TTs
I'll soon get that extra 41m, I'm in no hurry

For me the pain doesn't start until I'm about two thirds through any TT, but the doubts creep in at about halfway!

You need to recategorise the pain as something that is more tolerable and even something you enjoy. Don't let it become something you want to avoid. Try and smile to yourself when it does start hurting as this sends different messages to your brain and helps soften the overall feeling of pressure.

Pain doesn't always have to be perceived as something to avoid.

Thanks for your insights, good to hear that this effort was about how a hard TT even for experienced rowers should be.

At weightlifting I never had a problem to train at the edge and stand the pain, but atm it's a very different mental challenge to stand this discomfort/pain for so long and not only for a few repetitions (or short distances up to 1k). I'm confident of getting better at this topic and always have one of your mantras (defeating the inner chimp) and Henrys (embrace the pain) in my mind

[MartinSH4321]

Thanks, I see it positive, more space for improvements!

Yes, if you did train for the shorter work you could do some real demage.
You mostly train for endurance but your genetics let your short work still improve more.

I like the short distances as diversification and confidence booster, but my main goal is still to get a (very) good amateur rower, approximate target is to be under the top 2% in all rankings up to HM, a LONG way to get there, but hopefully achieveable. If the short work is still better then - that's OK

[hjs]

Thanks, I see it positive, more space for improvements!

Yes, if you did train for the shorter work you could do some real demage.
You mostly train for endurance but your genetics let your short work still improve more.

I like the short distances as diversification and confidence booster, but my main goal is still to get a (very) good amateur rower, approximate target is to be under the top 2% in all rankings up to HM, a LONG way to get there, but hopefully achieveable. If the short work is still better then - that's OK

You are still relative new at building your aerobic base, so certainly give it more time.
But pure from a sports perspective you longer work will never get on par with your sprint results. If you trained fir that, I would expect you to pull sub 14 on the 100m and 1.16/17 on the 500.

Imo a guy like you should not bother with TT above 10k, this will go against your natural genetics, blunten your speed and never get really good. Same goes for anti sprinters, the other way around, will never really work.

[MartinSH4321]

Yes, if you did train for the shorter work you could do some real demage.
You mostly train for endurance but your genetics let your short work still improve more.

I like the short distances as diversification and confidence booster, but my main goal is still to get a (very) good amateur rower, approximate target is to be under the top 2% in all rankings up to HM, a LONG way to get there, but hopefully achieveable. If the short work is still better then - that's OK

You are still relative new at building your aerobic base, so certainly give it more time.
But pure from a sports perspective you longer work will never get on par with your sprint results. If you trained fir that, I would expect you to pull sub 14 on the 100m and 1.16/17 on the 500.

Imo a guy like you should not bother with TT above 10k, this will go against your natural genetics, blunten your speed and never get really good. Same goes for anti sprinters, the other way around, will never really work.

Of course this building up will take some time, I would guess at least 3-5 years.
Looking at the rakings for 2019 (M HWT 40-49) a sub 1:17 500m would have been 4th place of 1.150, for 30-39 still 8th place of 950, both would be incredible results for me. Getting a similar ranking for longer distances is unrealistic, for 30min I would need 8.700/8.800m, so I totally agree where my genetic benefits are. Nevertheless, I like working on my aerobic capacity, and working on things I'm not already good at has a unique attraction (at least for me).
What's really good is a matter of perspective I think, your standards are very high I estimate

Just out of interest: If I would focus on 500m, and as aerobic capacity is also very important for 500m, don't you think it would be reasonable to still work primarly on my aerobic capacity and then work a few months on speed and strength. I would expect to get my max strength and speed in relative short time, and having a stronger aerobic base will make the difference (like now, not much speed work for me, but good improvements at shorter distances). Or am I missing something?

[hjs]

Of course this building up will take some time, I would guess at least 3-5 years.
Looking at the rakings for 2019 (M HWT 40-49) a sub 1:17 500m would have been 4th place of 1.150, for 30-39 still 8th place of 950, both would be incredible results for me. Getting a similar ranking for longer distances is unrealistic, for 30min I would need 8.700/8.800m, so I totally agree where my genetic benefits are. Nevertheless, I like working on my aerobic capacity, and working on things I'm not already good at has a unique attraction (at least for me).
What's really good is a matter of perspective I think, your standards are very high I estimate

Just out of interest: If I would focus on 500m, and as aerobic capacity is also very important for 500m, don't you think it would be reasonable to still work primarly on my aerobic capacity and then work a few months on speed and strength. I would expect to get my max strength and speed in relative short time, and having a stronger aerobic base will make the difference (like now, not much speed work for me, but good improvements at shorter distances). Or am I missing something?

I don,t think my standards are high, I look at was is possible for given athlete.

Re the shorter work, ofcourse you need some aerobic conditioning, but the main driver is raw speed. There is a very strong relation between low pull / max speed and 500m. Almost always thats the weak link for non sprinter, they lack raw power.

If you would build a speedpeak on your current training, no doubt you improve some, but to really get fast, you need to build your raw strenght. So your squat, deadlift and rows. Get that up, your lowpull will go down and that will improve your short rowing.
You could, if you get the feeling, your current training begins to stall, work for a season on your strenght/speed. For now, you seem to enjoy your training, you do improve, so why change?

Only thing I see, you don,t train your short work, don,t do much strenghtraining but still do relative well on the sprint. The longer work is nice, and I do understand newbies finding 8k impressive, but relative speaking thats not on par with your sprintstuff.
Hence my advice, keep building your fitness, but don,t focus on the very long stuff. Your natural strenght is power/speed, would a waist if you kill that off for something which will never get really good nomatter what.

But, just my 2 cents absolutely do what you yourself like to do.