The Equalizer

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 9:31 am

I no longer row as I did seven years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svgNavfX5h8

It looks more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMrkMECldg

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 20th, 2009, 9:38 am

ranger wrote:I no longer row as I did seven years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svgNavfX5h8

It looks more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMrkMECldg

ranger

To compare you need to look at your races, 100 % efforts show your technique. So take two races and see that there is not much differance.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 20th, 2009, 10:45 am

Ranger wrote:I now use the same stroke on the erg and I do in my 1x and I can sustain a pretty nice 2:00 @ 30 spm OTW.

We'll get a good idea how the OTW sculling is going this Saturday if Ranger actually does the Grand River Challenge, which is held in Grand Rapids. I see R. Cureton and one other competitor pre-registered in the masters 1x according to reggatacentral.com:

Depending on conditions, the 5K should take about twenty minutes if the 2:00 pace is accurate.

My advice: Rich, enjoy the experience even if the row doesn't go as expected.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » October 20th, 2009, 11:44 am

Percy Cerutty doing Cureton type pushups - about 1:00 into the video
http://www.ina.fr/sport/athletisme/vide ... ea.fr.html

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 12:06 pm

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:I no longer row as I did seven years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svgNavfX5h8

It looks more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMrkMECldg

ranger
To compare you need to look at your races, 100 % efforts show your technique. So take two races and see that there is not much differance.

When I am now trained to race, I certainly will!

I haven't trained to race for the last six years.

I have just been doing foundational rowing.

I haven't been doing hard distance rowing or sharpening.

You have to prepare for a 2K to do your best.

Anaerobic energies are 20% of a 2K race, and rates are high, pushing the limits of aerobic energies as well.

Foundational rowing focusses on technique and stroking power, technical and skeletal-muscular issues, not issues of maximal aerobic and anaerobic development/capacity.

My claim is this:

When I am fully trained, I will race like the rower you see in the second video, not the rower you see in the first, although I will use the _rate_ of the first rower, and a lighter stroking power than the second, pretty near a midpoint _between_ the very different stroking powers of two (e.g., 12.3 SPI).

The first rower is pulling 1:38 @ 36 spm (10.3 SPI)

The second rower is pulling 1:36 @ 28 spm (14.3 SPI)

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 12:11 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:I now use the same stroke on the erg and I do in my 1x and I can sustain a pretty nice 2:00 @ 30 spm OTW.
We'll get a good idea how the OTW sculling is going this Saturday if Ranger actually does the Grand River Challenge, which is held in Grand Rapids. I see R. Cureton and one other competitor pre-registered in the masters 1x according to reggatacentral.com:

Depending on conditions, the 5K should take about twenty minutes if the 2:00 pace is accurate.

My advice: Rich, enjoy the experience even if the row doesn't go as expected.

Hi, "other competitor":

I am just going to take it easy in my first head race.

My goals are to stay upright, get down the course, not hit anyone/anything, rate 24 spm, and barely escape dying of hypothermia.

I don't have any idea what this will turn out to be in terms of pace.

Are those expectations too high?

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 12:25 pm

John Rupp wrote:Percy Cerutty doing Cureton type pushups - about 1:00 into the video
http://www.ina.fr/sport/athletisme/vide ... ea.fr.html

Nice clip, John.

Yep, Dad was there in Melbourne in 1956. testing Snell, Elliott, and the boys.

I grew up with that heartometer.

Dad invented it.

Yep, those are extension press-ups, although the guy in the video only does four or so.

It's better if you can do 20-30.

50 is excellent.

Or you can do them this way, if you are _really_ good:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?cli ... BwQqwQwAw#

These are also pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsrFewVNH-c

This sort of push-up seems easier on the eyes, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZydTPxFdcU

She needs to get in a better rhythm, though.

Up, down, up, down.

Oh well.

I'm sure she is better in her private moments, off camera.

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 20th, 2009, 12:58 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:I now use the same stroke on the erg and I do in my 1x and I can sustain a pretty nice 2:00 @ 30 spm OTW.
We'll get a good idea how the OTW sculling is going this Saturday if Ranger actually does the Grand River Challenge, which is held in Grand Rapids. I see R. Cureton and one other competitor pre-registered in the masters 1x according to reggatacentral.com:

Depending on conditions, the 5K should take about twenty minutes if the 2:00 pace is accurate.

My advice: Rich, enjoy the experience even if the row doesn't go as expected.
Hi, "other competitor":

I am just going to take it easy in my first head race.

My goals are to stay upright, get down the course, not hit anyone/anything, rate 24 spm, and barely escape dying of hypothermia.

I don't have any idea what this will turn out to be in terms of pace.

Are those expectations too high?

ranger

I'm not doing that regatta. The other competitor is T. Cahill. I don't know him. I think you're right on in taking it easy and concentrating on staying in control. Getting the experience is more important than seeing how fast you can move your boat. Do that when the water is warm. Head races are in the time of the year when people just have fun and don't take it all that seriously. You want your stroke rate to be low enough that you stay in control. If you feel like you're on the verge of catching a crab, drop the stroke rate and relax. This is no time of the year for swimming.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 1:04 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:Getting the experience is more important than seeing how fast you can move your boat

Agreed!

Should be fun.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 1:09 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:I'm not doing that regatta.

Sorry to hear that, Byron.

Oh well.

Maybe another one?

Anyway.

See you there!

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 20th, 2009, 5:25 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:We'll get a good idea how the OTW sculling is going this Saturday if Ranger actually does the Grand River Challenge, which is held in Grand Rapids.

Yes, my sculling is going great.

I'll get my wife to get a video and post it tomorrow.

You still crab?

I don't.

Did 12K today, no crabs at all.

Actually, if I keep my stroke light and easy, I think I can rate 27 spm on Saturday, if the race is just 4K.

For me, the OTW equivalent of 1:51 @ 27 spm on the erg is 2:14 @ 27 spm OTW.

That might be a nice rate and pace to shoot for.

Grand Rapids is a great venue for me.

My daughter now works in Grand Rapids, just out of college, doing service work in public health for Americorps.

So I can go over to Grand Rapids on Friday and stay with her.

That will also give me time on Friday to check out the race course.

I've just heard that races don't start until 10 A.M. on Saturday.

That's also great.

It will be warmer if races start later in the day.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » October 20th, 2009, 5:52 pm

ranger wrote:I'll get my wife to get a video and post it tomorrow.

You still crab?

I don't.

You will, you conceited oaf. You are an inexperienced sculler with little exposure to a variety of conditions.

I'm looking forward to your DNS excuse at the weekend.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 20th, 2009, 6:50 pm

You still crab?

I'll take a bad stroke every once in a while, maybe enough to cause a little wobble, but nothing remarkable. I have never flipped while sculling, but that is no guarantee that I won't flip the next time I go out. I have logged about 16.5 million meters in a single OTW over the last four years so I'm overdue.

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » October 20th, 2009, 9:03 pm

ranger wrote:I haven't trained to race for the last six years.

I have just been doing foundational rowing.

I haven't been doing hard distance rowing or sharpening.
ranger

ranger wrote:fwb 2008

Then I think I'll even do better at St. Catherines the week after WIRC.

I'll get in another week of sharpening and weight control.

ranger

ranger wrote:mar 2009

This spring and summer, I will do distance trials and then hard sharpening--right on out into the fall.

ranger

You repulsive, pathetic man.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 21st, 2009, 1:38 am

Byron Drachman wrote:
You still crab?
I'll take a bad stroke every once in a while, maybe enough to cause a little wobble, but nothing remarkable. I have never flipped while sculling, but that is no guarantee that I won't flip the next time I go out. I have logged about 16.5 million meters in a single OTW over the last four years so I'm overdue.

I put in a couple of million meters OTW this spring, summer, and fall, which is good for me, given that I do about twice as many meters as this on the erg during this time and then another twice as many meters on the erg during the indoor season, when I can't row OTW.

I suppose I do about 10 million meters a year, then, counting both, about 8 million on the erg and 2 million OTW.

Next year, I will extend my daily OTW rows to 20K.

I have no problem with that now.

When the weather is nice, I row OTW right at dawn after doing 20K on the erg just before dawn, in the early morning hours.

I eat breakfast in between.

Makes you feel great!

ranger