Ranger's training thread

[macroth]

One stroke at 1:34/32spm, where your actual pace over 1000+ meters was almost 2:00/500m.
I have no doubt that this is representative of your training.

[Citroen]

Note:
the EXIF data for that image shows it was taken just after
3pm on 29th Dec 2009

[PaulH]

the EXIF data for that image shows it was taken just after
3pm on 29th Dec 2009

...and he rows much better than that now

[hjs]

One stroke at 1:34/32spm, where your actual pace over 1000+ meters was almost 2:00/500m.
I have no doubt that this is representative of your training.

At least he is not hiding the truth

[Carl Watts]

Wow so 1:34 at 32spm nearly a year ago is the best LP you can do ?

Does that even predict a Sub 7 ?

[ranger]

Nice 60min on the Kurt Kinetic, HR 160 bpm, after erging.

I am slowly getting used to the higher resistance, bigger workload, and therefore higher HR, on the Kurt Kinetic vs. my old Cyclops trainer.

The amazing thing will be building up to a second hour, and beyond, with my HR flat at 160 bpm.

As just a _supplement_ to my rowing OTErg and OTW, this is spectacular cross-training for a 60-year-old.

For many 60-year-olds, 160 bpm is a maxHR.

If I get so that I can do 2 hours a day at 160 bpm on the Kurt Kinetic, I'll get lean as a rail and tough as nails.

I wonder what Dietz can do for two hours on the Kurt Kinetic.

Not much at all, I suspect.

The old foggie rowers are too clubby to step outside their comfort zones.

If they got sweaty it would be unseemly.

They take physical decline with age as a given and, as they age, rely on skill rather than fitness (_and_ skill) to get down a course.

C'est dommage.

They are in for a surprise.

ranger

[ranger]

Out OTW when the sun comes up.

This weekend (until next Thursday) is fall break at the University of Michigan.

So I will have some time to get up to Lansing on Friday and Saturday to scout out the course for the Head of the Grand.

I'd like to row up and down the course five or ten times at various speeds before my race on Sunday.

I can spend all day up there on Friday and Saturday, if I want, given that I don't have to prepare for class.

ranger

[ranger]

People like Dietz and Mike VB row about 15 seconds per 500m slower than the best young rowers, both OTErg and OTW.

This gap in pace has nothing to do with skill, technique, etc.

It has to do with physical capacity and training.

ranger

[lancs]

Lancs--

You have proved to be a pretty good erger (e.g., within 20 seconds of a WR in your age and weight division), but do you have any interest in rowing more generally?

Not sure where your heading with these questions but I'll answer anyway. I did a year or so of OTW stuff a while back when I was single but my career and young family mean that I feel it's unreasonable of me to bugger off down the boatclub every other day of the week. Maybe in the distant future this may change but not for the forseeable.

Or are you just a gym rat, getting some exercise?

I suppose I am. Is there a problem with that? You and I have the same OTW racing experience: zero.

Do you have any experience with water sports--swimming, sailing, water skiing, canoeing, kayaking, surfing, fishing, etc.?

Have you ever lived on a big body of water, so that it becomes an essential part of your environment?

How does fishing improve my 2k time?!? But yes, I lived in Manly, Aus for 3 years with the beach at one end of my street and the harbour at the other. I had a surf-ski during this time and took up the erg on my return to the UK during a cold winter.

It's not like you to show any interest in another Forumite, why are you asking?

[ranger]

If I can do two hours OTBike at 160 bpm, my maxHR is _at least_ 190 bpm.

I don't think you can do two hours of something at better than 80% HRR, or at least, _I_ can't.

If my maxHR is 190 bpm and my resting HR is 40 bpm, 160 bpm is 80% HRR.

ranger

[ranger]

You and I have the same OTW racing experience: zero.

No reason to race until you know how to row pretty well.

I have been rowing my 1x in the spring, summer, and fall, on a regular basis, for seven years.

I will race OTW this weekend.

If things go well, I will go along at about the same rate and pace as someone like Mike VB, the OTW US National Champion in my age group for both weight classes.

Mike has been rowing OTW for 40 years, was a collegiate rower, has stroked at 8 at the World Championships, has coached OTW rowing for the last 15 years, rows OTW year round, has had both team coaches and personal coaches, has been racing his single for the last ten years, has extensive racing experience, both in sprints and head races, rows on the upper Connecticut River, one of the best rowing venues in the US, and so forth.

OTW, I didn't get in a boat of any sort until I was 53 years old, have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort, have never raced in any sort of boat, and row by myself on a short course in a swamp.

ranger

[hjs]

If I can do two hours OTBike at 160 bpm, my maxHR is _at least_ 190 bpm.

I don't think you can do two hours of something at better than 80% HRR, or at least, _I_ can't.

If my maxHR is 190 bpm and my resting HR is 40 bpm, 160 bpm is 80% HRR.

ranger

hahaha what utter nosnens. If you heartrate max is 190 and you ride with 160 al you have to is speed up firm for a few minutes and your hartrate will easily go to 180. If that was the case you would direct make a pic and show it.

And heartrate in itself says nothings at all. It is heartrate and hearstrokevolume that matters.

[ranger]

If you heartrate max is 190 and you ride with 160 al you have to is speed up firm for a few minutes and your hartrate will easily go to 180. If that was the case you would direct make a pic and show it.

Indeed, as I reported, that's just what happened a couple of days ago, although I didn't even speed up.

About an hour into my ride on the Kurt Kinetic, I gazed down at my Suunto, and my HR was riding along at 175 bpm.

For a ride as long as two hours, 175 bpm is working too hard, though.

For the purposes of cross-training, I prefer 160 bpm.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

No, your max HR is whatever it is when you fail during a step test or its equivalent. Note the 'presentness' inherent in my use of tense. HR during exercise also is exercise-specific, with difference of up to 8-10 bpm reported depending on posture, etc. You can obfuscate all you want to. The fact remains that you don't know what your max HR or your threshold-associated HRs are on an erg because you obstinately refuse to do anything to establish them. That's because if you actually did, a considerable chunk of the house of cards you've constructed would come crashing down around your furry ears.

As for the alleged merits of a 1:4 (NOT 4:1) drive:recovery ratio at what you think is low drag and 22 spm, why in the name of everything holy would I want to emulate anything you do? Like your cognitive functions, your force curve is out of whack. It's too tall in relation to its duration. The peak-force requirements are completely unrealistic at higher ratings -- as you could prove to yourself in about three strokes, if you tried to produce the same force curve at 38 spm you can (for a stroke or two) at 22 spm. I prefer to row faster and more efficiently biomechanically than you can, with a significantly fatter and lower-amplitude force curve, with the ratio r22 measured at DF 118 -- not guesstimated with an ouija board -- at about 1:3.2.

[hjs]

If you heartrate max is 190 and you ride with 160 al you have to is speed up firm for a few minutes and your hartrate will easily go to 180. If that was the case you would direct make a pic and show it.

Indeed, as I reported, that's just what happened a couple of days ago, although I didn't even speed up.

ranger

The point is you reporting anything doesn,t mean anything. You always lie, so next time take a picture and show it. without it .............