Ranger's training thread

[mrfit]

BTW, yesterday I got a new Kinetic trainer for my bike.

This winter, I'll buy another bike, too.

ranger

Good Choice. For reference, 20mph on the Kurt Kinetic is about 230 watts. 22.5 mph is about 320watts.

Oh, and just a little correction on Frost's athletic resume. Robert Frost was in his 60's when Don Hutson, the first wide receiver in football played football. Catching a forward pass was not even in the rules until Frost was 30 and football took a long time to adopt throwing the ball as a strategy (it used to be shaped like a rugby ball and did not really throw very well as it does today). My great grandfather was a grade school friend of Frost in Methuen, Mass after Frost's father died and they moved back from SF. I'm sort of a fan.

[ranger]

For senior and veteran rowers, and perhaps even for masters, the problem with training is the downward spiral.

The more you don't do something in training, the more you can't do it at all.

And so on and so forth.

When you row OTErg, if you you only take bad strokes, like Mike VB, if you _never_ take any good ones, in _very_ short shrift you can't possibly row well.

Every stroke takes you further and further from the possibility.

You train yourself to row badly.

As the years go by, you "settle" for less and less in your training.

And therefore, when you race, you only get worse and worse.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, yesterday I got a new Kinetic trainer for my bike.

This winter, I'll buy another bike, too.

ranger

Good Choice. For reference, 20mph on the Kurt Kinetic is about 230 watts. 22.5 mph is about 320watts.

Oh, and just a little correction on Frost's athletic resume. Robert Frost was in his 60's when Don Hutson, the first wide receiver in football played football. Catching a forward pass was not even in the rules until Frost was 30 and football took a long time to adopt throwing the ball as a strategy (it used to be shaped like a rugby ball and did not really throw very well as it does today). My great grandfather was a grade school friend of Frost in Methuen, Mass after Frost's father died and they moved back from SF. I'm sort of a fan.

Ah, sorry.

I guess I should have said he played "end" on offense.

Is that right?

Yep.

You can't catch the ball unless someone throws it!

ranger

[ranger]

For reference, 20mph on the Kurt Kinetic is about 230 watts. 22.5 mph is about 320watts

Thanks for the info.

I'll set it up today.

ranger

[becz]

There _are_ no sub-6:16 lightweight or sub-5:52 heavyweight 2Ks by senior or veteran rowers--at whatever drag.
ranger

Present trolls included. One of your few truths on this forum.

[ranger]

There _are_ no sub-6:16 lightweight or sub-5:52 heavyweight 2Ks by senior or veteran rowers--at whatever drag.
ranger

Present trolls included. One of your few truths on this forum.

Yes.

No one at all to this point.

ranger

[ranger]

Got the Kurt Kinetic set up.

So now I'll know my exact wattage when I am riding.

Unless I am missing something, the resistance on the kinetic is constant.

Unlike my old Cyclops, you can't set it for low resistance.

I don't know how these things will turn out, but I think I'll still ride at 22.5 mph.

That's 320 watts?

Wow.

I was surprised to learn from the new _Rowing News_ that it is easier to generate wattage on a bike than on an erg.

If I am riding at 320 watts, that will certainly be right.

320 watts is 1:43 OTErg.

ranger

[mrfit]

22.5 mph on a Kurt Kinetic is 300-320w. That's what my calibrated SRM Professional power meter says when I ride at that speed. (it's a $3,200 crank set made in Germany, it's accurate to +-2% of actual watts ). Glad to give you any other power readings at speeds. It's an ENTIRELY different world than a low-resistance Cycleops Mag which is designed for entry level riders. Comparatively, you should see about 18.4 mph in your daily multi-hour trainer rides. That's very good (Cat 3-4 riding). 22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

In a few hours (1:00 Eastern, I think) you can tune into the start of the Ironman and stream actual SRM powermeter readings, speed and HR from the pro riders. After they swim 2.4 miles, the men will ride around 280-300w for the first hour (25mph on their aero bikes on flat lava fields), but will fade in the fourth hour into around 200w as they get ready for their marathon.

To check it out click on Bike Telemetry in the red navigation bar here:
http://live.ironmanlive.com/Event/Ford_ ... ampionship

[JimR]

22.5 mph on a Kurt Kinetic is 300-320w. That's what my calibrated SRM Professional power meter says when I ride at that speed. (it's a $3,200 crank set made in Germany, it's accurate to +-2% of actual watts ). Glad to give you any other power readings at speeds. It's an ENTIRELY different world than a low-resistance Cycleops Mag which is designed for entry level riders. Comparatively, you should see about 18.4 mph in your daily multi-hour trainer rides. That's very good (Cat 3-4 riding). 22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

In a few hours (1:00 Eastern, I think) you can tune into the start of the Ironman and stream actual SRM powermeter readings, speed and HR from the pro riders. After they swim 2.4 miles, the men will ride around 280-300w for the first hour (25mph on their aero bikes on flat lava fields), but will fade in the fourth hour into around 200w as they get ready for their marathon.

Interesting ... if you overlay this information with what ranger's daily exercise routine is I should think he could win the ironman ... or certainly beat all the 40+ participants by huge margins!

Is there an ironman website and forum that ranger to go to and brag on how great he is???

JimR

[PaulH]

In the history of the sport, no one beyond their 30s has trained themselves to row perfectly at low drag.

Actually dozens of rowers have done that. I'm happy for you to prove me wrong though.

There _are_ no sub-6:16 lightweight or sub-5:52 heavyweight 2Ks by senior or veteran rowers--at whatever drag.

ranger

Actually dozens of rowers have done that too. I'm happy for you to prove me wrong though.

[hjs]

22.5 mph on a Kurt Kinetic is 300-320w. That's what my calibrated SRM Professional power meter says when I ride at that speed. (it's a $3,200 crank set made in Germany, it's accurate to +-2% of actual watts ). Glad to give you any other power readings at speeds. It's an ENTIRELY different world than a low-resistance Cycleops Mag which is designed for entry level riders. Comparatively, you should see about 18.4 mph in your daily multi-hour trainer rides. That's very good (Cat 3-4 riding). 22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

In a few hours (1:00 Eastern, I think) you can tune into the start of the Ironman and stream actual SRM powermeter readings, speed and HR from the pro riders. After they swim 2.4 miles, the men will ride around 280-300w for the first hour (25mph on their aero bikes on flat lava fields), but will fade in the fourth hour into around 200w as they get ready for their marathon.

Interesting ... if you overlay this information with what ranger's daily exercise routine is I should think he could win the ironman ... or certainly beat all the 40+ participants by huge margins!

Is there an ironman website and forum that ranger to go to and brag on how great he is???

JimR

Daily ?

Not daily, only on trainingdays, not during racingdays........

[ranger]

22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

Yea.

And if I pull a lwt 6:16 on the erg, I equal the 2K OTErg of this guy:


By null at 2010-09-21

ranger

[bellboy]

22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

Yea.

And if I pull a lwt 6:16 on the erg, I equal the 2K OTErg of this guy:


By null at 2010-09-21

ranger

And if my Auntie had balls she'd be my Uncle

[Byron Drachman]

22.5 mph steady for hours on a Kurt Kinetic and you can sign up for the Tour!

Yea.

And if I pull a lwt 6:16 on the erg, I equal the 2K OTErg of this guy:


By null at 2010-09-21

ranger

And if my Auntie had balls she'd be my Uncle

Yep. And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass a-hoppin'

Anybody else with an appropriate if statement?

[Citroen]

Anybody else with an appropriate if statement?

There's one that keeps turning up on here involving some silly 59yr old with a "perfect stroke" and a 6:16 2K, but it's so unbelievable it's not worth repeating.