Ranger's training thread

[redzone]

I now row perfectly at low rates with a UT2 heart rate. For ten strokes

1:50 @ 20 spm (13.25 SPI). For ten strokes

118 df. For ten strokes

Great stuff. For ten strokes

If you can row perfectly at low rates, training for rowing becomes a no-brainer. For ten strokes

Your training plan becomes pretty darn simple:

Just do it. and stop ten strokes later
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And do it. and stop ten strokes later

And do it. and stop ten strokes later

Fixed

What is the longest continuous row you have done at this rate and pace?

[hjs]

And take a cup of coffee every few minutes

Sure.

That could help a lot.

It has been demonstrated scientifically (by my brother, no less) that caffeine enhances athletic performance by as much as 20%, especially when the effort exceeds a couple of hours.

ranger

are you now dragging your brother into your nonsens. Show 1 study that shows that 20%.

Why are you always so wrong ?

[ranger]

IMO, in training, anytime you are not rowing perfectly, you are damaging your chances of ever becoming better.

You are training yourself to be bad.

You are missing something essential.

You are short-sliding.

You are dumping the finish.

You are diving at the catch.

You are mistiming your levers.

You are losing contact at the footplate.

You aren't swinging your back.

You aren't driving your toes down with your calves when you push away with your legs.

Etc.

Rowing badly when you train is like practicing scales on the piano for hours on end and screwing up every time, but not caring.

Your little finger misses its key each time, but, hey, what the heck.

ranger

[macroth]

I rather enjoyed watching this one from 2007:
http://www.row2k.com/video/view.cfm?vid=467 "1500m 1:46@20 spm"

I don't know what ranger was claiming at the time (1:46@20 spm = UT2 or UT1 or whatever), but it's obvious he's working and breathing quite hard at the end and could barely sustain that pace/rate for 2K. In fact, the PM4 was set up to count down from 2K but he stopped at 1500m* for some reason. It only takes 10 seconds to set up a 1500m piece, if that was indeed the plan, instead of starting a 2K and stopping at 1500m.

* Unsurprisingly, he actually stops pulling at 1480m and glides through the 1500m mark.

Wow, what a nice spurt of nonsense posts from our hero. Trying to bury something?

The effect is not physiological, but psychological.

Your ignorance is showing again.

[hjs]

I rather enjoyed watching this one from 2007:
http://www.row2k.com/video/view.cfm?vid=467 "1500m 1:46@20 spm"


* Unsurprisingly, he actually stops pulling at 1480m and glides through the 1500m mark.

Your ignorance is showing again. [/quote]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKqMY6U4 ... re=related

No matter how I think it is fun to see ranger making stupid remarks and not doing what he says. Fact are facts, he did row that full 2k, look at the youtube clip. The best part is just after the 2k, listen to his breating........

Lot's of rate 21 and ending up at rate 22 even, so a real fly and die

[ranger]

And take a cup of coffee every few minutes

Sure.

That could help a lot.

It has been demonstrated scientifically (by my brother, no less) that caffeine enhances athletic performance by as much as 20%, especially when the effort exceeds a couple of hours.

ranger

are you now dragging your brother into your nonsens. Show 1 study that shows that 20%.

Why are you always so wrong ?

Search my brother's publications.

You'll find it.

ranger

[ranger]

don't know what ranger was claiming at the time (1:46@20 spm = UT2 or UT1 or whatever), but it's obvious he's working and breathing quite hard at the end and could barely sustain that pace/rate for 2K.

1:46 @ 20 spm is 14.5 SPI.

Other than me, no 55w/60s lwt can get anywhere near 2K, 1:46 @ 20 spm--at all.

The 60s lwt hammer at WIRC 2010 pulled 1:46/7:04 for 2K, free rate.

It would be interesting to see some like NavHaz pull the hammer time for the 55s hwts at WIRC 2010 at 20 spm.

That's 1:33 @ 20 spm (21.75 SPI).

At one point, Rocket Roy did 1:44.5 @ 24 spm for 1K.

That is a typical effort for someone my age and weight.

ranger

[hjs]

Search my brother's publications.

You'll find it.

ranger

So just like you want Mike to fly to Birmingham to find your erg to be empty, you want me to start looking for not existing publications. Thing again nutter

[macroth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKqMY6U4 ... re=related

No matter how I think it is fun to see ranger making stupid remarks and not doing what he says. Fact are facts, he did row that full 2k, look at the youtube clip. The best part is just after the 2k, listen to his breating........

Lot's of rate 21 and ending up at rate 22 even, so a real fly and die

Fair enough, but that's a different clip, from the next day. It actually confirms my impression that 2K was as much as he could manage at that rate and pace, and I still don't know why he stopped at 1480/1500m the day before.

Both videos (from 2007) are interesting when compared to statements made today by ranger:

By definition, UT2 heart rates are comfortable and therefore can be done for long periods, perhaps indefinitely (hours and hours).

I now row perfectly at low rates with a UT2 heart rate.

1:50 @ 20 spm (13.25 SPI).

[ranger]

Have Mike VB do 2Kr20.

See what he can do.

My guesss is 1:52--if that.

ranger

[PaulH]

Other than me, no 55w/60s lwt can get anywhere near 2K, 1:46 @ 20 spm--at all.

There is no evidence for that statement.

[ranger]

Both videos (from 2007) are interesting when compared to statements made today by ranger:

Indeed they are.

The rows in 2007 were done at max drag, still struggling with technique.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

Different issue entirely.

If you can do it well, rowing at low drag is much more effective and efficient than rowing at high drag.

Rowing well at low drag takes quite a bit of quickness, precision, and skill, though.

It is not mastered easily.

ranger

[ranger]

Other than me, no 55w/60s lwt can get anywhere near 2K, 1:46 @ 20 spm--at all.

There is no evidence for that statement.

Happy to have someone refute this claim.

Unfortunately, there are no takers.

For lightweights, 2Kr20 is done at about 2K + 10.

I suspect that I could now do 2Kr20 @ 1:44.

15.5 SPI

118 df.

Since the 55s/60s 2K WR is around 1:40 pace, no other 55s /60s lwt can do 2Kr20 at much better than 1:50.

ranger

[macroth]

For lightweights, 2Kr20 is done at about 2K + 10.

I suspect [somethingorother]

Why didn't you pull a lwt 6:24 in 2007?

Ah, suspicions, suspicions. You're suspect indeed!

[NavigationHazard]

don't know what ranger was claiming at the time (1:46@20 spm = UT2 or UT1 or whatever), but it's obvious he's working and breathing quite hard at the end and could barely sustain that pace/rate for 2K.

1:46 @ 20 spm is 14.5 SPI.

Other than me, no 55w/60s lwt can get anywhere near 2K, 1:46 @ 20 spm--at all.

The 60s lwt hammer at WIRC 2010 pulled 1:46/7:04 for 2K, free rate.

It would be interesting to see some like NavHaz pull the hammer time for the 55s hwts at WIRC 2010 at 20 spm.

That's 1:33 @ 20 spm (21.75 SPI).

At one point, Rocket Roy did 1:44.5 @ 24 spm for 1K.

That is a typical effort for someone my age and weight.

ranger

Muppet. The 55 MHW hammer time from WIRC 2010 was 6:25, not 6:12. And in a gonzo moment a year or two back I've done a 6:38.9 2k r18. That's a fairly insane 21.2 spi.

Have you forgotten the time I set out to beat your much ballyhooed 1k r24 (2007, I think) r20? I think I ended up with a 3:11 with the monitor showing 21 spm because I took one extra arms-only stroke at the end. Even at r21, that was 19+ spi (screenshot was on the UK forum). At the 20 spm 3' 10" of the row was, that's 20 spi. You think you're inordinately powerful. You're not. You're a glory hamster. Moreover, to compare what you do as a fat boy to what others do as weighed-in LWs is specious. The weight difference is NOT irrelevant.