Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

You are sharpening

Yes.

And getting down to weight.

Only seven weeks until BIRC 2010.

ranger

[hjs]

You are sharpening

Yes.

And getting down to weight.

Only seven weeks until BIRC 2010.

ranger

You are sharpening, sharpening is training around 2k paces, call it whatever you want, you simply don,t dare to show a test.

I tell you what, if you within 24 hours after this post, show a 5k test, with a weigh in filmed that is! plus bodyfat %, with a newspaper for proof and row sub 17.30, nomatter what weight, you don,t have to pay the $ 1000 you still have to pay me.

So 24 hours from now. Time starts now

5k is done at 2k plus 5 pace. So to row 17.30 1.45 you only need a 1.40 2k. For someone who claims to row 6.20 in 7 weeks, just a firm paddle

[Byron Drachman]

Mike, What an awesome row! It looks like you are fully trained and sharpened, to use the terminology from this thread, and ready for a great row at HOCR.

Henry, that is a generous offer to Ranger. The drawback is that Ranger has obviously decided he already does not have to pay his gambling loss.

[NavigationHazard]

In activities like rowing, the true sportsmen are those who know how to train.... (drivel snipped).
ranger

Huh? Sportsmanship is a set of attitudes towards yourself, your sport and its competitors. It has nothing intrinsically to do with winning, or losing, or training.

Merriam-Webster defines "sportsmanship" as: "conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport." Wikipedia characterizes it as "an attitude that strives for fair play, courtesy toward teammates and opponents, ethical behaviour and integrity, and grace in victory or defeat," noting that the Olympic creed contains Coubertin's elegantly phrased "The most important thing . . . is not winning but taking part."

Mike is a sportsman. You misrepresent your training and game the LW rules and bail on your bets/promises, trash routinely everyone else in the sport's history (especially your imagined opponents, and your imagination of their training), are the living antithesis of graciousness, and have an attitude towards participation that's spottier than a bath-averse, porn-addicted 14-year-old boy with chicken pox, I'd say you are the consumate anti-sportsman. Yes, I'm guilty of poor sportsmanship for not respecting you. And no, that doesn't bother me overmuch.

[hjs]

Mike, What an awesome row! It looks like you are fully trained and sharpened, to use the terminology from this thread, and ready for a great row at HOCR.

Henry, that is a generous offer to Ranger. The drawback is that Ranger has obviously decided he already does not have to pay his gambling loss.

True Byron, I am sure after all :

Apr 02, 2009:
Byron Drachman wrote: Then you will have no problem sending Henry a check for $1000 unless you verify your weight as a lightweight in a manner suitable to Henry and post a sub 6:40 2K with verification code before the end of this month.

Indeed I will.

Just as he will have no problem sending me $3000 when I win both the bets.
We are upstanding folks.
We pay our bets, if we lose.
April 30, 2009:
Yea, time has run out
Oh well.
Don't much feel like doing a 2K, given that I still haven't sharpened for one.
2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.
Hey, hjs, any possibility of modifying our $1000 bet along the lines of our $3000 bet?
A time extension would be _greatly_ appreciated.
That might be a squarer deal, given my situation (unprepared!).
I need to get sharpened up if I want to be doing 2Ks without a lot of grief.
Training is coming along great--but slowly.
Too slowly, it appears.
One last cry for mercy!

This is clear...........

[snowleopard]

Henry, that is a generous offer to Ranger. The drawback is that Ranger has obviously decided he already does not have to pay his gambling loss.

But he might want to think about squaring up before he visits Europe

[mikvan52]

Truth of the matter ?

Shhh! Don't tell anyone!


It takes ranger at least 6 months to make weight each year. He does this at venues where the weigh-in standards are often lax. After that it's a matter of holding it together to get his top 2k time.... And then he get's, at most, only one top-o'-the-charts erg score a year because it hurts so badly to get there. I'd love to see the results of a blood sample taken when Rich sits down to successfully pull a 6:4x 2k

I can vouch for hurt! But it doesn't involve dehydration:
I was on WR pace for 1200 meters of my 2k at CRASH-B in February (2010). Result?... Once I fell off pace I looked at the monitor and saw how far I was ahead...and took it easier on myself. The men behind me were hurting too. I count them as friends and do not belittle their excellent efforts. John Rich and Gary Passler are great guys and excellent athletes.
Gary, I understand, is a fine cyclist. John, I meet OTW and medals in the 1x frequently.
Do I think ranger will ever beat John OTW.... Not unless he changes his training radically.... What do they say about "old dogs and new tricks"?

After too much time on this forum.
I now know what ranger is continually up to: SMOKE & MIRRORS ~~~ his permanent schtick. Also: It also involves gross misrepresentation (RWB-lying): 20 k of 1:4x pace involves many-many breaks.. His syntax is chosen to suggest constant erging w/o breaks.
Any novice or intermediate erger who is interested in the truth should stay miles away from ranger-type training: The record speaks for itself..

If ranger were forthright he'd post an record of what his weight is on the erg right before he rows "lwt" and right afterwards so the world would see the "rigors" of what dehydration is all about. I expect that his finish weight after erging his best 2ks are in excess of 170 lbs. (POI! I know it's allowed.)

Did I mention: my Blog Before I took a single stroke yesterday I weighed 157.5.... afterwards: 157.5 (immediately following cooldown) ranger with his 10 waterbottles and carefully managed weigh-in would weigh more after a lwt piece than after.. unless he had to handle down.... IMO: It's sick what he does to himself.
My advice to him is to erg at weight and be proud of his achievement... not to hurt himself and, by his carelessness of speech here, hurt others with terrible advice.

[mikvan52]

Another subject (about training):

Rich:
Now that you've started sharpening: What's the best 500m split you've "seen" ?
Would you do a sample one IND_V?
Just thought it would serve as a marker for your upcoming win in England.
" In the 1st week of October, ranger's 500 speed was....." and all that

Doing a decent 500 does not even qualify as "racing training" in anyone's dictionary....

For my part, I'm not interested that it be "at weight". I'd just be interested in your top speed... as usual.
Funny that you've never honored anyone's request like this.

[ranger]

Nice 70min ride (23.3 MPH) after erging.

HR 154 bpm

Out OTW when the sun comes up and it warms up a bit.

ranger

[ranger]

Another subject (about training):

Rich:
Now that you've started sharpening: What's the best 500m split you've "seen" ?
Would you do a sample one IND_V?
Just thought it would serve as a marker for your upcoming win in England.
" In the 1st week of October, ranger's 500 speed was....." and all that

Doing a decent 500 does not even qualify as "racing training" in anyone's dictionary....

For my part, I'm not interested that it be "at weight". I'd just be interested in your top speed... as usual.
Funny that you've never honored anyone's request like this.

I care too much about my training to abandon it for no reason.

I am sure that you understand.

If I trained like you, I would be as bad as you.

Why would I want that?

If you have some suggestions about how I might get better, then, sure, I would be happy to entertain them.

Problem is: I haven't heard anything of the sort from you.

And how could I?

You have more problems with training than I do.

As far as I can tell, I have the best coach in the world.



ranger

[mikvan52]

Nice 70min ride (23.3 MPH) after erging.

Now that you are doing all this stationary biking for weight loss:
Is you SS pace on the erg getting slower, faster, or is it the same?

Do you do any 70' erg workouts w/o breaks?

Why not just do 70' erg workouts and skip the bike entirely?

I would like some details about your training before I could suggest any changes.
How long are your breaks in a RWB routine? How many do you take in 20k of 1:4x pace?
Why don't you just program equal breaks into your PM4 monitor and then post the record here?


Would you be "happy" to share such details w/o "any irony or snarkiness"?

[ranger]

5k is done at 2k plus 5 pace. So to row 17.30 1.45 you only need a 1.40 2k. For someone who claims to row 6.20 in 7 weeks, just a firm paddle

Yes.

As I mentioned, as BIRC 2010 approaches, I will want to be doing daily 5Ks at 1:42/17:00.

In the fall of 2003, as BIRC 2003 approached, I did daily 5Ks at 17:30/1:45, as a warm up for other things.

ranger

[ranger]

Nice 70min ride (23.3 MPH) after erging.

Now that you are doing all this stationary biking for weight loss:
Is you SS pace on the erg getting slower, faster, or is it the same?

Do you do any 70' erg workouts w/o breaks?

Why not just do 70' erg workouts and skip the bike entirely?

I would like some details about your training before I could suggest any changes.
How long are your breaks in a RWB routine? How many do you take in 20k of 1:4x pace?
Why don't you just program equal breaks into your PM4 monitor and then post the record here?


Would you be "happy" to share such details w/o "any irony or snarkiness"?

I have explained this many times.

The cross-training that I do when I prepare to race is the most important thing that I do.

It keeps my full-body fitness sky high. It is relaxing, a recovery session after a long bout of hard erging. It keep me lean. It makes me feel young (quick, flexible, light, energetic, exhilarated, etc.).

Take it or leave it, but my results have been excellent.

Yours haven't.

ranger

[hjs]

5k is done at 2k plus 5 pace. So to row 17.30 1.45 you only need a 1.40 2k. For someone who claims to row 6.20 in 7 weeks, just a firm paddle

Yes.

As I mentioned, as BIRC 2010 approaches, I will want to be doing daily 5Ks at 1:42/17:00.

In the fall of 2003, as BIRC 2003 approached, I did daily 5Ks at 17:30/1:45, as a warm up for other things.

ranger

You are sharpening, sharpening is training around 2k paces, call it whatever you want, you simply don,t dare to show a test.

I tell you what, if you within 24 hours after this post, show a 5k test, with a weigh in filmed that is! plus bodyfat %, with a newspaper for proof and row sub 17.30, nomatter what weight, you don,t have to pay the $ 1000 you still have to pay me.

So 24 hours from now. Time starts now

So you only have to do a warm row out of 2003 although you are now "Much better than that" just a paddle

[ranger]

So you only have to do a warm row out of 2003

"Have to do"?

You don't get it.

I am only doing what my coach tells to me do.

I am not doing anything you want me to do.

And, heck, I don't _have to_ do anything.

I am just in this sport because I like it and because I'm good at it.

Sport is a leisure activity.

In your leisure activities, you can do what you want.

That's what's nice about them.

They aren't a chore.

They're fun.

ranger