Ranger's training thread

[lancs]

Tinpusher--

My stroke is as strong as yours.

Food for thought.

You are a 40s heavyweight; I am a 60s lighweight.

ranger

Impressive that you managed to squeeze two untruths into this one short statement...

[lancs]

Actually, make that 3 untruths as '60s lwt' counts as two lies...

[Tinpusher]

What we are doing with our rowing is incomparable....

You got that right.
I'm not the one making outlandish claims or spouting vitriol, just correcting another one of your many factual errors.

[BrianStaff]

BTW, if I am approaching 155 lbs. by the time I row at the Head of the Grand, I will be about 20 lbs. lighter than I usually am when I row OTW.

How on earth can someone who trains 3-4 hours per day, every day have their weight float up by 20 lbs?

That's just not possible, no matter what you eat & drink?

[mikvan52]

My OTW rowing is coming along fine.

Much more quickly than yours did.

Congratulations on all the predicted wins that you now have under your belt!
Before you know it you'll have one like this:
Click here

My primary goals will not be OTW until next year.

This, I doubt.
SInce you will not break 6:40 this fall or next winter you will jettison any goal of doing well on the water in favor of "unfinished business"
You heard it here first, sports fans. Dateline:March 2011:"Ranger to give up quest for certain OTW victories in his $7k raft in order to wrap up other certain unprecedented WR 2ks on the erg!

[Carl Watts]

Ranger should just go hwt and be done with it. Your either naturally a lwt rowing well all year round at that weight or your not.

He is not going to make weight unless he dehydrates himself to near death and we have already seen what that does to his 2K time...here comes another 7+ at BIRC2010.

[mikvan52]

Ranger should just go hwt and be done with it. Your either naturally a lwt rowing well all year round at that weight or your not.

Carl: We shouldn't neglect Rich's voracious ego! Look at the mark he would "have to" beat if he went heavyweight:
6:23.7 at age 60 (held by) Paul Hendershott

No chance there!

What ranger will settle for is the lwt title by Brian Bailey: (6:42.5 at age 61)
All this bluster about 6:16 and 6:28 by TSO is just window dressing.
And we'll be treated to "Boy, that was easy! I wasn't even fully trained!"

What will be interesting to me is to watch ranger go out at 1:34 -1:35 pace (necessary for a 6:16 - 6:20 2k) and to see how long that lasts before the handle goes down.
Remember his pledge about 13 spi too: These theatrics will necessitate a very low pace

[Carl Watts]

Well there "Lies" the problem.

All the training and race build up "I'm rowing at....." is actually rubbish in respect to rowing as a lwt when your actually currently a hwt.

I guess my point is if you have to take drastic action weight wise near a competition then your result is going to suffer big time.

If your truely rowing as a lwt all year round and have to loose a pound or two with sharpening come race day then that must be a whole lot better for you as well as your result ?

[hjs]

BTW, if I am approaching 155 lbs. by the time I row at the Head of the Grand, I will be about 20 lbs. lighter than I usually am when I row OTW.

How on earth can someone who trains 3-4 hours per day, every day have their weight float up by 20 lbs?

That's just not possible, no matter what you eat & drink?

Indeed. all his talk about his training is a lie. Paces, rates volume everything. A few years back he showed the totals on his erg, he did if I am not mistaken around 11 k on av a day.........

[ranger]

As I thought, when I am fully sharpened up to race, it looks as though I will race at exactly the same rate as the other good quasi-60s lwts: 34 spm.

The only difference between my rowing and theirs will be stroking power.

I will pull 12.5 SPI; they will pull 9.5 SPI.

The difference will be 3 SPI, or at 34 spm, 102 watts.

9.5 SPI @ 34 spm is 323 watts, or 1:42.7/6:50.8.

12.5 SPI @ 34 spm is 425 watts, or 1:33.7/6:14.8.

The difference is 9 seconds per 500m.

36 seconds over 2K.

Needless to say, no 60s lightweight has ever trained themselves to pull 12.5 SPI for 2K.

At the moment, it appears that no 30s lightweights can pull 12.5 SPI for 2K, Eskild included.

12.5 SPI is one _hell_ of a big stroke for a lightweight of any age.

ranger

[ranger]

I pull 13 SPI if I row hard; 12 SPI, if row easily.

So.

To hold on to my race pace, 1:34, my range of rates, relative to my range of stroking powers, is 32-36 spm.

To hold on to 1:34, I can rate 32 spm if I row hard; 36 spm, if I row easily.

34 spm splits the difference.

Did a lot race pace rowing today.

Great stuff.

Some race pace 500s will be the best regimen to segue into during the month of October.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segue

20 x 500m, 1:34 @ 32-36 spm, paddle a 500m in between, predicts a 6:16 2K.

118 df.

2-to-1 ratio.

BTW, my UT1 rowing is coming along great, too.

I am getting 1:44 @ 26 spm (12 SPI), just stroking easily.

That's perfect.

My work in both training bands is advancing--apace (excuse the pun).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apace

I am also cross-training every day OTBike (60-90min) and, as I can, OTW (working on technique in my new Fluid).

This cross-training keeps me lean and mean.

My weight is coming down steadily.

ranger

[ranger]

Time to start parading my major strength--my high maxHR.

Even though I am just a few months shy of 60, my maxHR is still 190 bpm.

ranger

[mikvan52]

To hold on to my (2k ?)race pace, 1:34, my range of rates, relative to my range of stroking powers, is 32-36 spm.

To hold on to 1:34, I can rate 32 spm if I pull hard; 36 spm, if I pull easily.

34 spm splits the difference.

Did a lot race pace rowing today. (no sustained distances mentioned)

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 77#p143677
talk is cheap about 13 spi (table)

Rich: Just do 1k of it today then.. Don't forget to post your HR!
Why not set the interval at 100m so we can see the HR spike?

a 3:08.8 1k by a liar from Ann Arbor would truly be unprecedented...
Look in the rankings for any previous year... There are NO 1k times even close to 3:08 (for 55-59 near lwts)... ever...
Very puzzling... and you are continuing with this pantomime about how you are on track...

When will you tire of this? When will we tire of this?...(and stop posting)... for me that is coming soon... probably by BIRC when you do 1 of 4 things: DNS, DNF, 7:0x, 6:4x....

[ranger]

I'll do this combination of UT1 rowing and sharpening (AT, TR, AN) for the next six months, until WIRC 2011 (and perhaps a couple of regattas after WIRC, pushing on into March).

ranger

[ranger]

When will you tire of this?

I am not tired at all.

I feel fresh and ready to go every time I climb OTErg, get OTBike, push off OTW.

I am trying to be _very_ careful with this.

Along with injury, sickness, and disappointment, staleness is one of the major endgames in this sport.

So I have prepared--long and hard--for the sharpening I am doing now.

How long?

10 years.

ranger