The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

you are the one who rows really slow

Given my foundational work on technique, over the last seven years, I haven't been training to race.

So my racing has been irregular.

Let's see how things go at the end of this year when I am pretty close to being fully trained, and then on into next year and beyond.

I repeat: I suppose it depends on what you mean by "really slow," but my immediate competition is rowing about 20 seconds slower than they did seven years ago.

That's quite a drop-off, no?

I think I will pb this year.

That's a pretty different story, no?

If I pull under my pb (6:28) next year, when I am 60, by current standards, the time will be unassailable.

No one will ever be able to beat it.

ranger

[PaulH]

It will be interesting to see how this year turns out, now that I am preparing to race.

Why would it be interesting - it's entirely predictable. You're the only one who really knows how your training is going, so if you say that you're going to break the WR, then you are. If you don't, therefore, it *must* mean that your training is flawed, i.e. the data you're predicting from must be wrong.

[ranger]

It will be interesting to see how this year turns out, now that I am preparing to race.

Why would it be interesting - it's entirely predictable. You're the only one who really knows how your training is going, so if you say that you're going to break the WR, then you are. If you don't, therefore, it *must* mean that your training is flawed, i.e. the data you're predicting from must be wrong.

Sure, I think I know how my training is going, but the last three weeks here will be crucial to see whether I am right about this.

Right now, it is just what I think.

There isn't any hard evidence for it.

Over the next three weeks, I am going to be rowing by the clock.

During this time, we will all find out how I am doing as a matter of indisputable fact.

It is only after these training times roll in that the 2K race that results from will become uninteresting, predictable.

The next three weeks of training are going to be _very_ interesting!

ranger

[hjs]

I think I will ...............

ranger

You have used this sentence countless times and you have failed 100% everytime. So that thinking of yours is really really crap and useless.

[ranger]

you have failed 100% everytime

Failed what?

Training?

Nope.

And in erging, that is all that matters.

That you keep your goals in sight and keep training toward them.

Repeated failure, if you view it right, only predicts success.

Repeated success only predicts failure.

Sorry to say so, but you have to risk failure, often for long periods, in order to succeed.

This is the first year that I have gotten all the way to race preparation rowing well and at weight.

So it will indeed be interesting to see what happens with my racing.

Perhaps this time I will succeed.

I think that this is reasonable:

If I break the 55s lwt WR at home on Friday, as I think I will, and row 6:28 at Cleveland on Sunday, both without much sharpening at all, the prognosis for two weeks from now might be _very_ good.

Then, the prognosis for next year might be even better yet.

Next year, I can do all of my distance rowing, 1:40 @ 30 spm and all of my sprinting, 1:34 @ 32 spm.

And I won't have to do any foundational rowing.

For a 60s lwt, that will be amazing.

1:40 is below WR pace.

1:34 is WR - 6.5 pace.

ranger

[hjs]

you have failed 100% everytime

Failed what?

Training?

ranger

Yes


Every " prediction" although for sane people those are always fantasies


Every promisse you didn,t show


Every "in the fall" never happened.


Every bet you lost you didn,t pay.


he list goes on and on.

[ranger]

Yes

No, I didn't fail in my training.

Because of that, in three weeks, when I reach my targets, you are going to owe me $2000.



You're an upstanding guy.

I'm sure you'll be happy to pay your debts.

This weekend, I also have a good chance of winning $1000 from the Chicago "Record Challenge."

The more, the merrier, I guess.

A little extra cash will come in handy.

ranger

[hjs]

You're an upstanding guy.

ranger

hmmmmm coming from you this doesn,t mean much does it

[snowleopard]

Yes

No, I didn't fail in my training.

Because of that, in three weeks, when I reach my targets, you are going to owe me $2000.



You're an upstanding guy.

I'm sure you'll be happy to pay your debts.

This weekend, I also have a good chance of winning $1000 from the Chicago "Record Challenge."

The more, the merrier, I guess.

A little extra cash will come in handy.

ranger

Henry,

Contact the Chicago organizers and tell them that you are a creditor of long standing with a first charge on any money that ranger wins. I'm sure you won't be short of witnesses.

That will give the old windbag yet another reason for a no show

[johnlvs2run]

10 MPS rowing is high rate rowing.

I just need to rate 30 spm and work on efficiency (i.e., being correct, consistent, and relaxed with my technique).

Nothing else matters much.

However the fastest lightweights in the world, E-L-S, are not only effective.

They are also efficient, i.e. they race at 8 meters per stroke.

In 2003 you raced at 8.33 meters per stroke.

[johnlvs2run]

If you need to lower the rate to maintain 10 MPS, your rowing becomes efficient but not effective.

And if you have to abandon your technique in order to lift the rate, your rowing becomes neither effective nor efficient.

What is your effectiveness at 8 meters per stroke?

It is easier to be effective, when there is little efficiency, i.e. when rowing at high mps.

It is faster - but not as easy - to be effective at 8 meters per stroke.

[hjs]

Yes

No, I didn't fail in my training.

Because of that, in three weeks, when I reach my targets, you are going to owe me $2000.



You're an upstanding guy.

I'm sure you'll be happy to pay your debts.

This weekend, I also have a good chance of winning $1000 from the Chicago "Record Challenge."

The more, the merrier, I guess.

A little extra cash will come in handy.

ranger

Henry,

Contact the Chicago organizers and tell them that you are a creditor of long standing with a first charge on any money that ranger wins. I'm sure you won't be short of witnesses.

That will give the old windbag yet another reason for a no show

hahahah good idea !

[aharmer]

Okay, so you're now doing the predictive workouts you've been talking about for so long. Start posting screenshots so we can cross reference workout results and race results and maybe finally learn something from all this nonsense.

[KevJGK]

You don't think my final result was good last year?

Not really.

With your athletic history and claimed training regime why wouldn't you get that result?

I am more surprised at your inability to pace yourself than anything else.

[ranger]

they race at 8 meters per stroke.

But only because they rate 40+ spm for 2K, John.

When they are my age, they won't race at 8 MPS because they won't rate 40+ for 2K.

And they don't row at 8 MPS when they train at lower rates.

When they race at 8 MPS, they pull 11-12 SPI.

When they are rowing at lower rates, they pull 11-12 SPI.

I also row at 8 MPS when I rate 44 spm--just naturally, but when I do it, I pull 11-12 SPI.

So what is the common denominator?

8 MPS, or 11-12 SPI?

ranger