Ranger's training thread

[KevJGK]

Keep on dreaming, not long to go now the big wake up call.....

He’s had the wake up call a few times already Carl.

He just ignores it and goes back to sleep.

[mikvan52]

If we go back 12 months in time (or 24 or 36) we can read a 100% exact same post.

Re: Ranger's training thread
by ranger » September 24th, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, in the early am

"It looks as though I might row a 2K....."

ranger

Last edited by ranger on September 24th, 2010, 5:08 am, edited thousands of times in total.
Rich Cureton M 59 ("can't wait to be 60!") lwt 5'11" 75 kgs (for 2 minutes a year) 2K 6:41.4 (2010)

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Mr. Predictable

[mikvan52]

to Citroen:
"If I don't show you the results of this sharpening, it will be because you really have no interest in or sympathy with this training...

"If I don't"?

lame! You have never shown sharpening workouts and suggest again here that you don't intend to.
So, we should conclude that there is no purpose to this thread other than making wild predictions.

If a moderator is monitoring this exchange: Would you please lock this thread?

[mikvan52]

... well... no hope of this thread ending.... so here's a tip some people might find helpful when thinking about interval training (IOW (in ranger parlance) "hard sharpening")

Tip:
Consider doing a good portion of speed/sharpening on slides.
I have done this for the reasons stated in this video:

http://www.concept2.com/us/training/tec ... asp#slides

(click on the segment "using slides")

[ranger]

Keep on dreaming, not long to go now the big wake up call.....

He’s had the wake up call a few times already Carl.

He just ignores it and goes back to sleep.

Wake up, call?

There's just sharpening left to do.

I will be sharpening for the next six months.

I am now pulling 13 SPI at 145 df.

ranger

[ranger]

lame! You have never shown sharpening workouts and suggest again here that you don't intend to.
So, we should conclude that there is no purpose to this thread other than making wild predictions.

Training is an opportunity to get better.

So, sharpening isn't really training.

It is just race preparation.

You never get better by sharpening.

I have shared all sorts of information about my _training_ over the last eight years.

Although you don't seem to approve of it, you'all know exactly what I have done (RWBs. etc.)--and the result:

I have increased my stroking power 3 SPI (from 10 SPI to 13 SPI) by lowering the drag from max to 145 df. and improving my technique.

ranger

[ranger]

If birc will be your first race, it will be a rowing with breaks

In the fall, BIRC is the _only_ race, not the first.

I have raced at BIRC twice, both as a lightweight.

One race was a WR and my pb; the other race was a championship record, which still stands.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Consider doing a good portion of speed/sharpening on slides.

Slides are also easier on the back so anybody with back issues might find the slides helpful. The woman in the video could improve her use of the arms.

[PaulH]

I will be sharpening for the next six months.

Another change of strategy? I thought you were only going to sharpen for the next month or so?

[hjs]

If birc will be your first race, it will be a rowing with breaks

In the fall, BIRC is the _only_ race, not the first.

I have raced at BIRC twice, both as a lightweight.

One race was a WR and my pb; the other race was a championship record, which still stands.

ranger

You would row 6.16 But fore some strange reason that never hapend. Strange how someone can be happy when his stay miles away from his goals.
You are a few years older new , and a few years slower. remember I know much better what you can do then your coach. It's not for nothing that I always win my bets with him

Ps you are lying again. Your Pb is set in you very first race ever and that was not Birc.

[mikvan52]

lame! You have never shown sharpening workouts and suggest again here that you don't intend to.
So, we should conclude that there is no purpose to this thread other than making wild predictions.

sharpening isn't really training.

It is just race preparation.

You never get better by sharpening.

I have shared all sorts of information about my _training_ over the last eight years.

cute.

"You never get better by sharpening" might be true under the most bizarre logic.
Everyone knows that you don't get fast w/o it.

"Just" race preparation?

I repeat:

You have never shown sharpening workouts and suggest again here that you don't intend to.

predict and "if / then" yourself forever, Rich...
This is not a training thread. Training reports have data. You don't provide any.
None here can say that they know for sure what your physiological reponse is to the varying hypothetical workloads that you go on and on about.

Show us 8 x 500m.
Show us a single 500m (open rate IND_V) (at any REVEALED body weight)

Show us an effort w/a HR monitor (you own one) as an IND_V. I suggest a 2k, 5k, or 10k (your choice)... with intermediate splits.

The problem is that you know this data and won't share it because it shows that RWB has not taken you to "unprecedented" levels of speed with concomitant low cardiovascular output.
You are marginally the best 2k erger in the 55-59 light tabulations for 2010. That is remarkable and you are to be congratulated.
You've written volumes about your "long term goals" aka "targets" and have abstruse definitions as to what they mean.
You will not achieve them and (not so) secretly have no intention of even trying to achieve them.

Have fun with your posting in the meantime! IT IS ENTERTAINING! ... BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ESTABLISHING ANY CREDENCE ABOUT MEANS TO ACHIEVE THOSE STATED GOALS FOR A 59 YR OLD MIDWEIGHT.

[NavigationHazard]

For completeness' sake, mention also needs to be made of the BIRC where you showed up at the arena (on your own dime) but inexplicably failed to answer the starter's call for your race....

[Bob S.]

Consider doing a good portion of speed/sharpening on slides.

Slides are also easier on the back so anybody with back issues might find the slides helpful. The woman in the video could improve her use of the arms.

What about Peter bending his knees a bit too early on the recovery? There was another video in which that was even more pronounced. That was on a grounded erg indoors. It just proves that, even with 40 years or so of experience, bad habits can persist.

Bob S.

[ranger]

cute.

"You never get better by sharpening" might be true under the most bizarre logic.
Everyone knows that you don't get fast w/o it.

Sure, you can't race your best without sharpening.

But I am not sure at all that you can't get fast without sharpening.

I haven't sharpened since 2003, but in 2006, when I was 55, I pulled 6:29.7, and the last couple of years, 2009 and 2010, I have pulled 6:41.

No one my size has ever pulled sub-6:30 at 55.

And 6:41, give or take a bit, is WR pace for someone my age and weight.

Sorry, Mike, but it seems to me that what you (and Roy) have exemplified with your rowing is that you can't get fast on the erg by sharpening alone, a whole 'nother bag of worms.

You get fast on the erg by increasing your stroking power.

When you train on the erg, you (and Roy, etc.) don't work on stroking power much at all.

So, no matter how hard you work, you (and Roy, etc.) just get worse and worse.

ranger

[ranger]

I repeat:
mikvan52 wrote:
You have never shown sharpening workouts

Sure I have.

Back in 2002-2003, I reported all of my sharpening workouts. I sharpened in the fall of 2001, the winter of 2002, the fall of 2002, the winter of 2003, and the fall of 2003.

I haven't reported the results of sharpening workouts since then because I haven't done any.

How can I report something that I haven't done?

ranger