Ranger's training thread

[jliddil]

I haven't sharpened since 2003.

The above statement therefore indicates that you are either not that bright or far more likely not averse to the occasional untruth.

Or he loves BSing and dragging everyone along for the ride. Reminds me of Wayne's World:


Cassandra: I love you, Wayne.
Wayne Campbell: I love you, Cassandra.
Dreamwoman: I love you, Garth.
Garth Algar: I love you, dreamwoman.
Noah Vanderhoff: You know, ever since I did your show, kids are looking at me in a whole new way.
Terry: I love you, man.
Russel: And I love you. Because I've learned that Platonic love *can* exist between two grown men.
Benjamin: And I've learned something, too. I've learned that a flawless profile, a perfect body, the right clothes, and a great car can get you far in America - almost to the top - but it can't get you everything.
Wayne Campbell: Isn't it great that we're all better people?
[beat]
Wayne Campbell, Garth Algar: FISHED IN!

[lancs]

or far more likely not averse to the occasional untruth.

Brilliant. This has to be the biggest understatment in the history of this Forum...

[JimR]

Ummmmmmmmm ... it must be fall because we have the first updated VPB of the upcoming indoor racing season!!!

... Then again, 6:16 (or is it now 6:12?) at 60 will be a pretty impressive row to result for a set of training principles, even if these training principles are only workable for nut-cakes like me ...

I can sense the anticipation building ... I am stocking up on beer and brats!

JimR

[ranger]

I haven't sharpened since 2003.

Based on your claims you train to a level most consider excessive in your commendable attempt to rewrite the record books.

You travel thousands of miles to race venues hoping for the elusive performance your efforts richly deserve.

You clearly understand the benefits of sharpening.

The above statement therefore indicates that you are either not that bright or far more likely not averse to the occasional untruth.

I have pointed out repeatedly:

If you have sharpened before, but want to improve, sharpening alone will not make you better.

Everyone sharpens pretty much the same way for pretty much the same benefit.

You can only get better by improving your UT rowing.

The question is, though: How does an aging WR-holder improve his/her UT rowing?

In recent times, at least, it has never been done before.

My commitment over the last eight years has been to keep working on my UT rowing until I got some improvement, rather than interrupting this UT work with sharpening.

Sure, I have raced, but without sharpening for the races.

I am now sharpening.

Why?

Because I have (finally!) achieved that improvement I have been looking for in my UT rowing.

I now row perfectly (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

As a result, I now pull 1:48 @ 21 spm with a UT2 HR.

That predicts a 6:12 2K.

ranger

[aharmer]

Just so there is no confusion, the above post infers you are currently, today, able to erg a 6:24 2k. According to you everybody gains about 12 seconds through sharpening. Your UT2 pace and HR say you're a 6:12 erger.

Assuming sharpening doesn't make you slower, there is no way you could possibly pull slower than 6:24 at BIRC correct? So let's assume the unimaginable happens and you pull 6:4x at BIRC. What could possibly lead to this?

Let me start with my idea. You and others can add yours to the list. Your UT2 pace and HR don't really say you're a 6:12 erger because you don't do true UT2 sessions. If you did a true UT2 session for an hour or more your HR wouldn't say what you want it to say. It would tell you that you're a 6:40 erger, meaning you could pull about 6:52 today as you start your sharpening. I hope you prove me wrong, but you wont. You simply continue to make more outrageous claims to keep people involved and upset. Your new claim of 6:12 fitness will only make you look more foolish when you hit your standard 6:40.

[mrfit]

As a result, I now pull 1:48 @ 21 spm with a UT2 HR.

This is a lie.

[Citroen]

As a result, I now pull 1:48 @ 21 spm with a UT2 HR.

This is a lie.

It's not difficult to spot the lies, the hard part with Ranger's outpourings is trying to spot if there is even the tiniest scintilla of truth within the daily, fast flowing, stream of complete and utter bollocks.

[DUThomas]

At BIRC 2010, I will row well (12-13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), fully prepared.

Rowing badly (10 SPI) [blah blah blah]
Rowing well (13 SPI) [blah blah blah]

Since when is 12 SPI rowing well? That's a third of the way to rowing badly!

Besides, as a heavyweight now, how can you claim to be rowing perfectly at 13 SPI when everybody but everybody knows you need to do 16 SPI? You need to step it up.

[Byron Drachman]

Can anyone start a list of things we should congratulate him for?

silence



That reminds me of the New England funeral, where it is traditional for those attending to offer comments during the ceremony. The pastor asked the congregation for volunteers to stand and say something nice about Zeke. There was a long silence. The pastor said "Surely somebody can say something nice about Zeke." Finally someone stood and said "His brother was worse."

[ranger]

At BIRC 2010, I will row well (12-13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), fully prepared.

Rowing badly (10 SPI) [blah blah blah]
Rowing well (13 SPI) [blah blah blah]

Since when is 12 SPI rowing well? That's a third of the way to rowing badly!

Besides, as a heavyweight now, how can you claim to be rowing perfectly at 13 SPI when everybody but everybody knows you need to do 16 SPI? You need to step it up.

I made weight at all of my race venues last year.

I will do the same this year.

My weight is _very_ good.

I'll make weight for both BIRC 2010 and WIRC 2011--very easily.

And for any other regattas I enter.

ranger

[ranger]

Your UT2 pace and HR say you're a 6:12 erger.

Sure.

But I stil need to do the AT, TR, and AN rowing that will make this prediction a reality.

I will be sharpening for the next six months to see whether I can make this happen.

My improved UT rowing is a fait accompli, although I will continue to do UT2 and UT1 rowing while I am sharpening, in some sort of rotation, comparable to the Wolverine Plan.

A training regimen like the Wolverine Plan keeps you race ready at all times, something that I haven't been doing at all until now.

In the Wolverine Plan, each week, you do work in all of the training bands, in some maximally beneficial and tolerable mix.

ranger

[DUThomas]

Besides, as a heavyweight now, how can you claim to be rowing perfectly at 13 SPI when everybody but everybody knows you need to do 16 SPI? You need to step it up.

I made weight at all of my race venues last year. I will do the same this year. My weight is _very_ good. I'll make weight for both BIRC 2010 and WIRC 2011--very easily. And for any other regattas I enter.
ranger

But you're a heavyweight now and therefore not rowing well by your own definition. Perhaps you need a few more years to learn to row well.

[mikvan52]

You can only get better by improving your UT rowing.
.....

My commitment over the last eight years has been to keep working on my UT rowing until I got some improvement, rather than interrupting this UT work with sharpening.
.....

I am now sharpening.
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I now row perfectly (.)
.....

It seems that ranger thinks you get better by restricting erging to only UT work..
This is a bizarre theory... Although, if he actually did do this, and only this for 8 years... he has done well by it.

We always come back to the fact that he has never revealed the results of any erg step test to show his max hr and that his real AT hasn't been disclosed either.
Hence, I think this UT ony/8 year claim is false.

I can guarantee you, for instance that when ranger ergs a 6:4x 2k he is not at UT after 500-750m...

Hey Rich! Why not UT a 2k for us... To prove me wrong might I suggest a steady 1:45 pace... IND_V only w/hr data , please


As for "rowing perfectly"...
If you row perfectly then why aren't you sculling perfectly too?
Show us a 1k in 4 minutes in old Nether-wind... that's middle of the pack for 59 year olds...far from perfect..but a good start in convincing others about this "perfect" stuff...

= Mike

Oh. If you are "now sharpening" why not post one of these workouts .... to set us all straight on what precisely "sharpening" is for the potentially and virtually unprecedented best rower of all time?

[mikvan52]

BIRC 55-59 light has now swelled to 6 entrants…
Impressive!

Brown, Steve
Little, Neil
Loeffen, Pete
Cureton, Richard
Wenham, Paul
Lester, Robert

… too bad Rich doesn’t like competition.
Minor head races in the US have many more showing up than that!

FYI: look at the Green Mountain Head coming up this weekend 55-64…
Even the 60-64 guys would beat ranger !
Hamlin, Dressigacker, Flory, Dietz… to name a few

Why not stay in the US and try to beat up on your countrymen instead of going to a poorly attended "Championship" that involves so much travel?

See:
http://www.rowgmh.com/RaceResults/2010Entries.html

the highlighted ones are just a few of the 60+ men who would answer Rich's question about his being a world beater at 60 .

Men's 1x 55-64 28 Jack Meyer
Men's 1x 55-64 29 Gregg Stone
Men's 1x 55-64 30 Scott Roop
Men's 1x 55-64 31 Paul John Flory
Men's 1x 55-64 32 Tim Willsallen
Men's 1x 55-64 33 James Dietz
Men's 1x 55-64 34 Michael van Beuren Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 35 Charles Hamlin
Men's 1x 55-64 36 Robert Sengstaken
Men's 1x 55-64 37 Nikolay Kurmakov
Men's 1x 55-64 38 Andrew Nelson
Men's 1x 55-64 39 Dick Dreissigacker
Men's 1x 55-64 40 Kim McKnight
Men's 1x 55-64 41 James Raymond
Men's 1x 55-64 42 Wiley Wakeman
Men's 1x 55-64 43 Paul Gross Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 44 Alan Inglis
Men's 1x 55-64 45 Chuck Pieper
Men's 1x 55-64 46 Hull Fulweiler Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 47 Tim Wheatley
Men's 1x 55-64 48 Jamie Pitney
Men's 1x 55-64 49 Tom Wolski
Men's 1x 55-64 50 Jim Sweitzer
Men's 1x 55-64 51 Wallace Shaw Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 52 Fred Krupp
Men's 1x 55-64 53 Richard Moore
Men's 1x 55-64 54 Frederick schoch
Men's 1x 55-64 55 Jim Clary
Men's 1x 55-64 56 James F. Keating
Men's 1x 55-64 57 Mackenzie Waggaman Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 58 Dan Ruml
Men's 1x 55-64 59 Kendall Gifford
Men's 1x 55-64 60 Hugh Scott Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 61 Andrew Isaac
Men's 1x 55-64 63 James Strickland
Men's 1x 55-64 64 Charlie Hines
Men's 1x 55-64 65 Cap Kane
Men's 1x 55-64 66 Richard Cordsen Ltwt
Men's 1x 55-64 67 Dick Henry
Men's 1x 55-64 68 James Hill
Men's 1x 55-64 69 Roger Jarosz
Men's 1x 55-64 70 Ron Bell
Men's 1x 55-64 71 Paul King
Men's 1x 55-64 72 Steve Timpany



How the prep coming for the Grand OTW event... Was I wrong to expect an account about ranger's continuing progress of bringing his rate up on Wednesday sessions?/// hmmm: What day is today?//// hmmm Wednesday!.... I think today was pencilled in for 26 spm... How did it go Rich?
Did you use your "rowing perfectly" stroke?

I know this is tedious of me to keep harping on this.
I am interested in erging too.
If ranger would only post some data along with his endless minutiae about the finer points of the sport... I would be pleased.
This "If this... then..." is super tedious to me.. That's why I keep poking at him with a 'reality stick'.

"6:28 2k coming up at max"... then row a 7:00 2k today with a heart rate belt on.

"Perfect stroke" post a video of you rowing perfectly on the water... for a full 1k at minimum...

Why does Rich's virtual world have so few details? Very confusing...to say the least.

[Byron Drachman]

How the prep coming for the Grand OTW event... Was I wrong to expect an account about ranger's continuing progress of bringing his rate up on Wednesday sessions?/// hmmm: What day is today?//// hmmm Wednesday!.... I think today was pencilled in for 26 spm... How did it go Rich?

Hi Mike,
The plan originally was to do Mondays I think. Except for the one time, there have been no Ranger sightings as far as I know. I left the river early this morning because I had a bike ride I had to get to, so I might have missed him if he switched to Wednesdays.

June 28, 2010: I will enter a full round of head races in September and October.

The Grand River Challenge on Oct 2 would be another good one. Since no one else his age is rowing better than he is, Ranger should have no problem beating R.A. Heh, heh.