The Equalizer

[JohnBove]

ut perhaps consider: if you are a nay-doer, who is really the fool? If your potential is an honest 6:16, and the best time you've pulled in years is 6:42, there's something wrong. My supposed potential is low 5:50s. If I couldn't pull 26 seconds worse than that on base training for hours a day, I might have cause to re-evaluate what that potential actually was.

Let's just wait this one out. You pull out the performance you're "capable" of, and I'll take my hat off to you.

You're very gracious, but certainly you must know you're dealing with a liar and a loon, someone who will say anything (alas, always the same thing) to try to keep attention on himself. He is hopelessly inadequate to meeting his goals. He's been saying this stuff for years and it will never happen. It's astonishing that people -- like you -- respond to him like he's even vaguely credible.

Most recently he promised a 2k trial in September. He of course didn't do it.

[ranger]

ut perhaps consider: if you are a nay-doer, who is really the fool? If your potential is an honest 6:16, and the best time you've pulled in years is 6:42, there's something wrong. My supposed potential is low 5:50s. If I couldn't pull 26 seconds worse than that on base training for hours a day, I might have cause to re-evaluate what that potential actually was.

Let's just wait this one out. You pull out the performance you're "capable" of, and I'll take my hat off to you.

You're very gracious, but certainly you must know you're dealing with a liar and a loon, someone who will say anything (alas, always the same thing) to try to keep attention on himself. He is hopelessly inadequate to meeting his goals. He's been saying this stuff for years and it will never happen. It's astonishing that people -- like you -- respond to him like he's even vaguely credible.

Most recently he promised a 2k trial in September. He of course didn't do it.

Yes, those with three WR rows, who are trying to get better, where no one ever has, are naturally idiosyncratic, and therefore attention-getting, and committed to long-term goals.

Thanks for noticing.

Last year, I had the best 2K in my age and weight class by three seconds, just on the basis of foundational training.

Nothing "loony" about that at all.

It just shows that my training is right on target.



ranger

[ranger]

I now row well.

Roy could also learn to row well, but he can't be arsed.

To each his own.

Roy pulls 9.5 SPI when he races.

I'll now pull 11.5 SPI (at the same rate).

Roy is the WR holder. You aren't.

You are a non-achieving blowhard. Roy isn't.

See the difference?

I have three WR rows; Roy has one.

Even if I don't, in a couple of years (or less!), a 55s lwt will row well under 6:30, 10 seconds faster than Roy has ever rowed in a public race.

My lwt 2K pb is 6:28; Roy's is 6:38.

To defend his WR, Roy needs to pull sub-6:30.

ranger

[ranger]

I can talk about how you've significantly over-estimated your potential

Sure.

But is absurdly violent, personally, and painfully peevish, both at the same time, not to mention mistaken.

I can murder my mother, but I don't choose to.

Nay-sayers are fools.

ranger

[ranger]

I have been training to get a dozen seconds better over 2K, relative to my first race, when I didn't know how to row.

This is a very reasonable goal, and I have been pursuing it with as much energy as I can muster for six years, about 50 million meters of rowing.

The only way to improve, really, is to overcome your weaknesses.

This is what I have done.

My major weakness was technique and stroking power.

I now row well.

ranger

[hjs]

I have been training to get a dozen seconds better over 2K, relative to my first race, when I didn't know how to row.

This is a very reasonable goal, and I have been pursuing it with as much energy as I can muster for six years, about 50 million meters of rowing.

The only way to improve, really, is to overcome your weaknesses.

This is what I have done.

My major weakness was technique and stroking power.

I now row well.

ranger

here you go wrong, erger is a very simple sport, look at top races and look at the technique that is used, nothing fancy about it, just pull the chain. I do agree you used an ungly way of erging, you still do if you race, but for you this is the best way to do it.

You don,t have more power, during your races the last few years you mostly pulled 10 spi dispite al your low rate power work.

The fact you got slower is also simple, one word: aging......


Often the answers are simple, just open your eyes and you will see..

[ranger]

I'll be convinced that you've achieved in spite of, rather than because of, your training.

Ah.

So, now, if I do indeed pull 6:16, my training was irrelevant.




Yikes.

What next?

No, sorry.

If I pull 6:16 at 60, if will be because my training did precisely what it was designed to do.

A lwt 6:16 at 60 iis so far beyond what any age-group rower has ever done, no other training would compare.

If I pull a lwt 6:16, I will break the 40s lwt WR.

To do something similar, Mike Caviston would have to have pulled 5:55 when he was 40, setting the Open lwt WR.

A 6:16 at 60 would be like Big Bird pulling 5:33 and setting the Open hwt WR.

6:16 would break the 60s lwt WR by 26 seconds.

ranger

[ranger]

You pull out the performance you're "capable" of, and I'll take my hat off to you.

No, clearly you won't, and have already said so, given that, if I pull 6:16, you will say that my training had nothing to do with it.

Cheap shot, I think.

Low blow.

Let's face it.

Saying such things disqualifies you, throws you out of the ring.

Let's at least be fair.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 when I am 60, my training over the last six years has been the best in the history of the sport.

ranger

[ranger]

The fact you got slower is also simple, one word: aging......

In 2006, I pulled 6:29.7, still struggling with technique, just on the basis of foundational training, with no hard distance rowing or sharpening.

My last 2K in 2003, fully trained, was 6:32.

My work on technique is now complete; I now row well.

I no longer row at low rates (16-26 spm) at all.

I am now doing hard distance rowing at 27-31 spm.

When I am done with distance trials, I will do hard sharpening (at 36-42 spm).

ranger

[ranger]

auswr--

Do you really think that I can't pull a FM at 26 spm?

That's a pretty big mistake, I think.

I have done it before.

So has Roy.

Given my technical effectiveness and efficiency now, if I can pull a FM at 26 spm, it will predict a 6:16 2K.

If I can pull a FM at 26 spm, I will set the Open lwt FM WR.

ranger

[ranger]

ook at top races and look at the technique that is used

I agree entirely that all the best rowers have pretty close to the same technique.

I don't at all agree that bad rowers have the same technique, or row like good rowers.

And all veteran rowers row badly.

Just watch a veteran race.

Wretched stuff.

I used to row badly, too.

No longer.

I now row like the best rowers.

It takes quite a bit of work to learn to row well, if you are a veteran rower and therefore row badly.

ranger

[hjs]

ook at top races and look at the technique that is used

I agree entirely that all the best rowers have pretty close to the same technique.

ranger

ehhhh No, that is not the case, some use high spm, some use low,some short strokes, some use long, some use high drag some use low, some use much back, some almost don,t

There is absolute no common style, even otw you see big differences


You use lot of back, always did and nothing changed the last 5 years, your stroke is more or less te same. Logic, that's how you body works best.

[ranger]

You use lot of back, always did and nothing changed the last 5 years, your stroke is more or less te same

Sure, I still use a lot of back.

But the timing, rhythm and leveraging of my stroke, the amount of slide I use, my posture, and many other matters (e.g., my recoveries), are entirely different.

When I used my erg stroke in a 1x back in 2003, I just fell out.

Repeatedly.

I couldn't take a stroke.

I now use the same stroke on the erg and I do in my 1x and I can sustain a pretty nice 2:00 @ 30 spm OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

some use high spm, some use low,some short strokes, some use long, some use high drag some use low, some use much back, some almost don,t

There is absolute no common style, even otw you see big differences

Sure, to name some things that don't matter.

But in all things that matter (timing, overall rhythmicity, footwork, leveraging, recoveries, etc.), the strokes are basically the same.

Now that I row well (in all things that matter), I can also raise or lower the rate, lengthen or shorten the slide, raise or lower the drag, use a lot of back or not much, and so forth--as long as I hold firm in all things that matter.

ranger

[ranger]

You are never going anywhere very fast in a 2K if you only pull 9.5 SPI.

Roy's 1:41/6:44 this year is pretty much the limit, at least for veterans.

At 9.5 SPI, you have to rate 36 spm in a 2K to do even that.

If you pull 11.7 SPI, the same 36 spm is 6:16/1:34.

There's that seven seconds per 500m again!

ranger