6:28 2K

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » September 24th, 2009, 10:03 am

While it can be entertaining to insult people on the Internet, gentlemen refrain from it.

Is this board even moderated????

I wonder

DUThomas · Post by **DUThomas** » September 24th, 2009, 10:05 am

JohnBove wrote:You're a repulsive, shameless wretch.

In ranger's defense, I will point out that his students apparently love him: http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRat ... tid=421932.

bloomp · Post by **bloomp** » September 24th, 2009, 10:49 am

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 5:22 pm

John Bove wrote:you created this myth that you haven't trained to race since 2003,

Well, since 2003, I haven't done even one 8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, or 4 x 2K workout.

I haven't done a distance trial--at any distance.

You can't prepare to race without bringing up your anaerobic capacities with maximal efforts.

Why haven't I done these things?

I have been learning to row.

If you try to race before you are effective and efficient, you just go slow, or if you go fast, you go much slower than you would if you took the time to become maximally effective and efficient first.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 5:31 pm

bloomp wrote:Rich,

racing otw is nothing at all like the erg. I pity someone like you who has never experienced the 'team' aspect of rowing, which is incredible, and creates better attitudes than yours.

Also, please stop posting like as ten year old, people might take you more seriously if you don't post five times in a row,

skipping

a

Line

for

each

thought.

The internet is fun.

You can use whatever style you would like in a post.

Or do you prefer goose-stepping in unison?

To each his own, I guess.

ranger

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » September 24th, 2009, 6:43 pm

ranger wrote:Hey, if you're right about being able to beat me, then, of course, we won't just meet in races.

As far as the erg goes, there are also the rankings, etc., at all distances.

For iinstance, to pull 6:16, you'll have to pull 1:44/17.3K for 60min, as I will do along here pretty soon, not 1:51/16.15K

But you won't be able to do this is you only pull 9.5 SPI when you are rowing comfortably at 10MPS, as you do now.

So you have some work to do to get where you need to be--about fiive _years_ of work, if you are like me.

50 million meters?

You need to raise your natural stroking power.

ranger

Rick
YOU mentioned ranking times, what times have you ranked in the last few years except your fairly average 2K?
NOT what you may/will do etc blah blah

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » September 24th, 2009, 10:02 pm

ranger wrote: I haven't done a distance trial--at any distance.

Ah, so you admit you lied about having submitted a 5k trial to the USIRDS...

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » September 25th, 2009, 8:00 am

ranger wrote:Well, since 2003, I haven't done even one 8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, or 4 x 2K workout.

I haven't done a distance trial--at any distance.

You can't prepare to race without bringing up your anaerobic capacities with maximal efforts.

Why haven't I done these things?

I have been learning to row.

If you try to race before you are effective and efficient, you just go slow, or if you go fast, you go much slower than you would if you took the time to become maximally effective and efficient first.

ranger

So those hundreds and hundreds of posts to the contrary were lies. It's one or the other.

kini62 · Post by **kini62** » September 25th, 2009, 4:53 pm

Steve G wrote:

Rick
YOU mentioned ranking times, what times have you ranked in the last few years except your fairly average 2K?
NOT what you may/will do etc blah blah

I'm fairly new to rowing (consistently anyway) so pardon me if I'm out of line, but, What is mediocre about a 6:28 2K?

Isn't that like in the 90-95th percentile?

I'm a 47yo MLWT and can get nowhere close to that.

Gene

Citroen · Post by **Citroen** » September 25th, 2009, 7:02 pm

kini62 wrote:I'm a 47yo MLWT and can get nowhere close to that.

Ranger is over 58 (and a half as he'll tell you) and can get nowhere near that based on recent performances. He did 6:27 as a HWT more than SIX years ago at age 52 and 6:28 as a LWT, but hasn't gone that fast since he's "learned to row". He has spent the intervening time bloviating about his potential, his training, his cycling, his OTW rowing and his sharpening while also denegrating the outstanding performance of any other rower we can think of. He's had a sequence of well documented DNS and DNF performances at various international and regional competitions in the last couple of years and has wholeheartedly failed to get anywhere near his past personal best times and has even struggled to break the seven minute barrier at some competitions as he wasn't "fully trained" or "fully sharpened". He has come up with some of the most inventive excuses for his no show did-not-starts.

Ranger appears to be this forum's troll (he was banned from http://concept2.co.uk/forum for the nature of the rude and unpleasant replies that his stuff solicits). He's been writing variations of the same story on a daily basis for many years. See http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=905 for (currently) 1209 examples and http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/search. ... 5&sr=posts for another 17,276 items.

The best way to deal with any internet troll is to totally ignore his/her largely meaningless meanderings. That may or may not apply to Ranger, your choice.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 2:27 am

John Bove wrote:So those hundreds and hundreds of posts to the contrary were lies.

What posts about my 8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, and 4 x 2K workouts?

There have been none.

I have been learning how to be more effective and efficient, both OTW and off, and have reported these activities.

I haven't been doing predictive sharpening workouts (although I will be doing these now that my work of effectiveness and efficiency is done).

Other than the 2Ks I have done at races, I have ranked no pieces.

I haven't been racing (although I will be racing now).

Clearly, this has been the best strategy, too.

Last year, I had the best 2K time in my age and weight division by three seconds, without even sharpening for it, or doing any hard distance rowing (e.g., distance trials).

I get about a dozen seconds from hard sharpening.

Who knows how much you get from doing hard distance rowing.

Hard middle distance rowing (5K, 6K, 30min, 10K, 60min) is the essence of the game.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 2:34 am

Citroen wrote:He did 6:27 as a HWT more than SIX years ago at age 52 and 6:28 as a LWT, but hasn't gone that fast since he's "learned to row".

I pulled 6:29.7 three years ago, in 2006, when I was 55, albeit again, without even sharpening for it, or doing distance trials.

At the time, I was still working out some problems with technique, too.

Those problems are now solved.

No one my age and weight now has ever pulled under 6:40, much less 6:30, not to mention 6:20.

The 60s _heavyweight_ WR is Hendershott's 6:24.

Given my improved technique, now, I am quite a bit better than I was in 2006, as we will soon see.

I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.

Then I will do an at-home 2K to deliver on that prediction.

Then I will be ready for full sharpening and distance trials of all sorts.

The best 60s lwt time last year was Brian Bailey's 6:51.8.

Bailey, who is now 63, is the 60s lwt WR holder.

I will be 59 in a couple of months.

I will be 60 for WIRC 2011.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » September 26th, 2009, 3:37 am

ranger wrote:I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.

You said you would be rowing a 2K trial before the end of the month. There are four days left. When will you be rowing the trial?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 3:40 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.
You said you would be rowing a 2K trial before the end of the month. There are four days left. When will you be rowing the trial?

No exact schedule.

Pretty soon.

But sometime after I get the 8 x 500m prediction done, so that I know that the pace is reasonable.

ranger

KevJGK · Post by **KevJGK** » September 26th, 2009, 5:43 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.
You said you would be rowing a 2K trial before the end of the month. There are four days left. When will you be rowing the trial?

Just to save you wasting too much time on this.

There will be no 8 x 500m/3:30r results posted this year.

There will be no 2K trial results posted this year.