Paul's Law

ranger · Post by **ranger** » May 16th, 2008, 12:27 pm

Nosmo wrote:What if I told you I did 1:46 @ 29-30 today (which I did)? You have no idea if I did 500m, 4x1000, or a HM or something else entirely. It doesn't tell you much of anything.

It tells me a lot, if you tell me how much you did.

I said that I did about 20K a day on the erg.

When the weather is nice, I add 10K OTW.

So, if you did 20K, too, or 30K, you didn't do just 4 x 1000.

You'd have to do 20 x 1000m to get to 20K, or 30 x 1000m to get to 30K, or 40 x 500m to get to 20K, or 60 x 500m to get to 30K.

That you are doing 1:46 @ 30 spm also tells me a lot.

You don't row well.

You are training yourself to row poorly.

1:46 @ 30 is only 9.7 SPI.

If you are a lightweight, you need to pull 13 SPI to row well, so you should be doing 1:46 @ 22 spm, if you are are pulling good strokes.

If you did 20K, 1:46 @ 22 spm (13 SPI), hey, I wouldn't care how you did it.

Sure, row it continuously.

Or row it as 20 x 1000, with some sort of short rest.

Both are _great_ workouts.

You'll be workin' your tail off!

If you row well and do as much as 20/30K, hey, it doesn't matter what you do.

Why be exact about how you are rowing like shit and loafin'?

It's just embarrassing.

It would be better not to mention it at all.

Then we wouldn't know that you don't know how to train!

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » May 16th, 2008, 12:37 pm

PaulS wrote:Rich, when you actually DO SOMETHING (for real), let us know

Sorry to repeat, but I do about 20K a day on the erg.

When it is nice, I add another 10K OTW.

Great stuff.

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » May 16th, 2008, 2:03 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:With your version of double the D, add 3, if I pushed the buttons correctly on my calculator, your (virtual) FM@1:48 yields a (virtual) 5:56 2K
No.

6:20

2K 1:35
4K: 1:38
8K: 1:41
16K: 1:44
32K: 1:47
42K: 1:48

ranger

Hi Rich,
Yes. You're right. I was using 500m, not 2K for d1. A FM@1:48 predicts a 500m@1:29 , not a 2K@1:29.
That was a careless error on my part. I showed I know how to use the formula, but I plugged in the wrong number, so I am begging for partial credit.
Byron

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » May 16th, 2008, 2:29 pm

ranger wrote: If you row well and do as much as 20/30K, hey, it doesn't matter what you do.

Why be exact about how you are rowing like shit and loafin'?

It's just embarrassing.

It would be better not to mention it at all.

Then we wouldn't know that you don't know how to train!

Thank you for finally explaining why you don't give us the details. We've seen you rowing like shit, and your results back up the loafin' part, but it's always good to have your admission of the same.

Nosmo · Post by **Nosmo** » May 16th, 2008, 2:42 pm

ranger wrote:
Nosmo wrote:What if I told you I did 1:46 @ 29-30 today (which I did)? You have no idea if I did 500m, 4x1000, or a HM or something else entirely. It doesn't tell you much of anything.
It tells me a lot, if you tell me how much you did.

I said that I did about 20K a day on the erg.

So that 20K per day is 1:48 @ 20 spm? You have yet to state that! We still have no idea how many meters you do at that pace and rate! Which is my point!

ranger wrote: That you are doing 1:46 @ 30 spm also tells me a lot.

You don't row well.

You are training yourself to row poorly.

1:46 @ 30 is only 9.7 SPI.

If you are a lightweight, you need to pull 13 SPI to row well, so you should be doing 1:46 @ 22 spm, if you are are pulling good strokes.

That is a really strange definition of rowing well. By that definition a 6:03 2000m @ 42 spm is rowing really poorly because the SPI is ~11. If you look at the video of the only person to ever have done it, we can only dream of rowing that "poorly".

Power at low rate does not necessarily equal good technique, it only equals power.

ranger wrote: Why be exact about how you are rowing like shit and loafin'?

It's just embarrassing.

It would be better not to mention it at all.

Then we wouldn't know that you don't know how to train!

So I row like **** because I'm not as fast as you think I should be?

I do sometimes row like ****. I freely admit that. However, sometimes I row fairly decently. Last year in the fall seasons out of 5 races (4 in a 2x one in 4x) I got 3 firsts and 2 seconds. I am the second fastest person in my club (the fastest has won the masters nationals on many occasions, and I may be fastest over longer distances). Furthermore there is a heavy weight rower who has been rowing for about 9 months who was second at Crash-B's and about six tenths off a world record. I can crush him in a 1x at any distance--there is absolutely no contest (at some point I expect he will beat me because he is dedicated and focused and getting decent coaching, but it will likely take him another year).

So I may row like ****, but don't be surprised if I can give you some competition on the water.

NavigationHazard · Post by **NavigationHazard** » May 18th, 2008, 1:25 am

Can we try to keep gratuitous vulgarity and profanity out of the Forum, please?

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » May 18th, 2008, 1:49 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Can we try to keep gratuitous vulgarity and profanity out of the Forum, please?

NavHaz is right. Don't say someone "rows like s###" as it is not appropriate language for polite company. Instead, say they "row like ranger"