The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Well after sifting through all the contradictory training advice I'm coming to the following conclusions.

1. You place way too much emphasis on the 2K and pretend nothing else matters.
2. You are indeed unique because you can row a fast 2K but apparently, from looking at the results to date, nothing else.

The problem I have with rowing just the 2K distance on the Erg is that it is a "Fly or die" event and doesn't show your depth or ability to train or row competitively at longer distances. You can for example use your 30 minute PB to calculate your 2K PB pretty accurately but in your case with the 2K's all over the place you cannot even start to use it to predict your 30minute so you speculate and do some amazing extrapolation (you really should stick to English and NOT Math by the way) to arrive at the "if....." times.

All the babble would stop if you just stopped typing long enough to do some decent distance events, I just don't get it and neither does anyone else reading this. Honestly it's a simple case of "Put up or shut up".

At the end of the day this thread has been a great source of amusement to all concerned, but of little value to my training.It will be hard to refrain from posting after May 1st, but then again a more useful training thread has recently been started.

On a final note, good luck in the future with posting some 2K WR's, I only wish you had gone about things differently with respect to this Forum.

Who said I am not going to do distance trials to prepare for a 2K?

That is exactly my intention.

And then I will sharpen, too.

To this point, I have done neither.

Once you set a WR, you don't get better by _just_ doing more distance trials and sharpening, though.

You need to improve your foundational rowing and then carry that improvement in your foundational rowing up into your distance rowing.

That is what I have done.

This has taken a long time.

Why?

Independent of improving your fitness, improving your foundational rowing and carrying that improvement up into your distance rowing is _very_ hard to do.

In fact, at least in the scale that I may accomplish it, no male 2K WR-holder, 40-70, has ever done it before.

ranger

[ranger]

In his races he always went for the place not the time.

Not when he didn't win.

And when he didn't win, he went just the same pace, pretty much, that he went when he won.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he could go faster in competition.

ranger

The evidence is a 6.34 row.

The row wasn't in competition.

In competition, he lost, pulling 6:46.

ranger

[ranger]

Honestly it's a simple case of "Put up or shut up".

I am in the middle of my training.

Nonetheless, I had the best 2K in my age and weight division this year by six seconds.

I also had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year.

You can't be better than the best.

There is nothing more for me to "put up" to demonstrate the relative success of my training, except what my training naturally yields, as I go along.

My training is coming along great.

My talk is about completing my training, and the promise that holds.

This is entirely legitimate talk.

All training is future-oriented, hypothetical.

You train now so that you can race well later.

You don't race now instead of training to show you don't know how to train and therefore can't ever race well, now or later.

ranger

[hjs]

The row wasn't in competition.

In competition, he lost, pulling 6:46.

ranger

6.46 as a slowest 2k is a lot better then you pull every year, lot's of 7 plus races

[ranger]

6.46 as a slowest 2k is a lot better then you pull every year, lot's of 7 plus races

When you train to race, as Roy does, you pull just what your training predicts, as he does.

When I train to race, I do the same.

When you train to race, racing is redundant, predictable--for everyone.

ranger

[rjw]

2K in 6:29.7, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 500r30 @ 1:30.

Very old news especially considering how we decline with age.

[ranger]

2K in 6:29.7, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 500r30 @ 1:30.

Very old news especially considering how we decline with age.

My rowing is not declining with age; it's improving.

2K times don't decline with age if the decline in physical capacity with age is more than compensated for by improvements in technique and mode of training.

These 2006 times are much _better_ than my comparable efforts in 2002-2003.

I am now much better than I was in 2006.

ranger

[mikvan52]

* NOTHING NEW HERE *
* GO ELSEWHERE FOR TRAINING DETAILS *
* THE JIG IS UP *
* THIS THREAD IS DEAD *
* ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠ *

[hjs]

6.46 as a slowest 2k is a lot better then you pull every year, lot's of 7 plus races

When you train to race, as Roy does, you pull just what your training predicts, as he does.

When I train to race, I do the same.

When you train to race, racing is redundant, predictable--for everyone.

ranger

My work on technique is entirely done.

I am now doing five-hour workouts, hitting all of the training bands, including sprints/sharpening on the erg and rowing for an hour each day at 5K rates OTW.

This year, I will be at weight and sharpening all fall and winter.

I haven't sharpened fully since 2003.

Given this preparation, racing this year will be a cinch--at all distances.

Back to normal.

Full preparation.

2K

1:34 @ 37 spm (11.5 SPI)

ranger

right

[whp4]

2K in 6:29.7, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 500r30 @ 1:30.

Very old news especially considering how we decline with age.

My rowing is not declining with age; it's improving.

2K times don't decline with age if the decline in physical capacity with age is more than compensated for by improvements in technique and mode of training.

These 2006 times are much _better_ than my comparable efforts in 2002-2003.

I am now much better than I was in 2006.

ranger

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that you did the rate-limited pieces in 02-03, so your assertion is unconvincing and the comparison is pointless. The 2k was slower, and done as a heavyweight. Despite your endless assertions that weight doesn't matter, the very next race, rowing as a lightweight, you imploded in spectacular fashion, failing to even break 7 minutes. You haven't shown up for a major race since, because you are either chicken, the world's most inept traveler, or a combination. You are such a pathetic narcissist that you even claim that your presence on this forum makes Concept2 some money, as if someone reading your verbal diarrhea will be inspired to go out and buy their products to follow in your footsteps

You should be blocked from posting until you've logged at least one of the IND_V pieces you claimed you would do this season. You have nothing of value to contribute here.

[bellboy]

What a stupendous idea! Ban the obnoxious twat from posting until he actually puts in a ranked performance. If he spent have as much time erging as posting his usual tedious wank then we might have something to compare it to. How many times have we read "not fully trained" and "just on the basis of foundational rowing"? The man is a perpetual nosebleed. My problem is i cant help tuning in on a daily basis.Is my life that shallow? I don`t even look for free pornography any more! Rich and his monotonous musings keep me rivited.Why? I DONT KNOW!!!!
Go on Dougie,apply some pressure.Call his bluff and let me get some much needed therapy

[johnlvs2run]

All the babble would stop if you just stopped typing long enough to do some decent distance events, I just don't get it and neither does anyone else reading this. Honestly it's a simple case of "Put up or shut up".

Why are you being so impatient???

There is a full day and a half, until the end of the ranking season.

This is plenty of time, to complete the other 9 events and also to break the WR for the 2k.

[ranger]

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that you did the rate-limited pieces in 02-03

The rate limited pieces were from mid-2006. That's the point. They are things can I _couldn't_ do in 2002-03. I posted screen shots of the rows--all of them.

I also couldn't pull a 6:29 2K in 2002-03 without preparing for it, at whatever weight. Unthinkable.

I also couldn't race 2K at 12 SPI in 2002-03.

That's the point.

In 2006, I was better--across the board.

ranger

[ranger]

* NOTHING NEW HERE *
* GO ELSEWHERE FOR TRAINING DETAILS *
* THE JIG IS UP *
* THIS THREAD IS DEAD *
* ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠ *

The major new detail in my training is that I am now rowing easily at 32 spm and 123 df. in my distance training.

This means that I have now taken my advances in technique at low rates all the way up the rate ladder to 32 spm, the top rate in my distance rowing.

Great stuff.

If I can rate 32 for 5K, 31 spm for 6K, 30 spm for 30min, 29 spm for 10K, 28 for 60min, 27 spm for HM, and 26 for a FM, I will hit all of my distance targets.

So things are coming along _very_ nicely.

ranger

[mrfit]

I think you called this Mission Accomplished a few weeks ago. I'm not really sure what else you have to do?