The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

Here's a trivia question:
When did RIch last face formidable peer opponent(s) at a venue....?

I seem to think it was 2006 (Amsterdam) Where he came in fourth.
Or Maybe it was BIRC the following year where he came in first (but the competition was somewhat "less deep").

Who remembers?
It's getting to be long ago.

My hope is that Tor-Arne Simonsen gives Rich a run for his money at WIRC next february. In the meantime:
Rich will not post any times until the 2k season next year.

Rich only has until January to best Roy's 2k 55-59 lwt WR..
He's unable to do it because of weight/fear/& age related decline.
These are the facts.
Intentions are merely intentions. And: Training does not assure anyone of anything.
New people will come and go from threads like these w/o ever seeing a lwt IND_V post at 5k and beyond.
Being 10 lbs above weight is tough for the old bird... Too bad he doesn't start taking it to the water where there's very little emphasis on weight for head racing...

I guess fear factors into that too...
Posting drivel over and over seems to give him some consolation so long as it angers people who read it (Troll bait).

[lancs]

I have documented _that_ in great detail, both on these C2 fora and in my blog.

Everyone knows exactly what I have done with my training over the last seven years.

I don't think there is any uncertainty about that at all.

Now I know you're not serious..

[chgoss]

log: a record of performance, events, or day-to-day activities.

I have documented _that_ in great detail, both on these C2 fora and in my blog.
Everyone knows exactly what I have done with my training over the last seven years.
I don't think there is any uncertainty about that at all.

Shirley you cant be serious...
"I erg''d an hour today, some portions of which were done at a 1:45 pace" doesn't count as a "log" by any definition.

[KevJGK]

Everyone knows exactly what I have done with my training over the last seven years.

I don't think there is any uncertainty about that at all.

Don't be such a complete and utter pratt.

Nobody has the slightest idea what you have done with your training over the last seven years.

Even if we were able to decipher your coded reporting method there is still the problem that you are a psychopathic liar!

[Citroen]

To get this thread back on track can anyone explain what "intention" was expressed in the title of this thread, "The Two Types of Training".

We've got Ranger's "training" to fail to reach any of his intentions as one of the two kinds. What is the other kind of training? Are there more than just those "two types of training"? Which type of training should we chose to achieve our "intentions" for the new season?

I think as we hurtle ever closer towards the new season and the complete lack of IND_V results (and only a handful of 2K race results) for any of Ranger's "intentions" then we either need to determine the answer to that question or we need to lock this thread so it can become part of the C2 forum archive.

[jliddil]

To get this thread back on track can anyone explain what "intention" was expressed in the title of this thread, "The Two Types of Training".

We've got Ranger's "training" to fail to reach any of his intentions as one of the two kinds. What is the other kind of training? Are there more than just those "two types of training"? Which type of training should we chose to achieve our "intentions" for the new season?

I think as we hurtle ever closer towards the new season and the complete lack of IND_V results (and only a handful of 2K race results) for any of Ranger's "intentions" then we either need to determine the answer to that question or we need to lock this thread so it can become part of the C2 forum archive.

So I was thinking about this. For me there are more than two types of training. It depends on what you are training for. If was all figured out we would see the changes in training methods/regimens across all sports over the years. We don't have a computer algorithm to generate a training schedule based on data from probes in every orifice. It's not digital.

Lock the thread

[ranger]

"I erg''d an hour today, some portions of which were done at a 1:45 pace" doesn't count as a "log" by any definition.

But "I pulled 20K at 15 SPI and 16-18 spm, taking rests as I need them, averaging about 2:00 pace," does.

Try it.

You'll see.

An exact clocking of everything you do is entirely unneccesary, if not counterproductive.

Training is not a race.

The best cross-country coach I ever had gave workouts like this: Easy 10 miles.

No one timed such runs.

You just ran easily!

ranger

[ranger]

We've got Ranger's "training" to fail to reach any of his intentions as one of the two kinds.

When I pulled 6:27.5 as a heavyweight, I lost 30 pounds in order to break the 50s lwt WR.

Intention achieved.

In order to try to get better and improve my own WR, I rowed at low rates for 6 months and sure enough, broke my own WR twice.

Intention achieved.

In order to try to get better yet, I bought a 1x and taught myself how to row OTW.

Intention achieved.

In order to row well OTW and get better yet on the erg, I changed how i row--entirely.

Intention achieved.

To put more emphasis on the use of my legs and increase my stroking power, I rowed at low rates and high stroking powers for five years, and sure enough, I have increased my stroking power about 2 SPI.

Intention achieved.

Using this stronger stroke, I slowly lifted the rate up from 22 spm to 30 spm for distance rowing.

Intention achieved.

Now that I am rating 30 spm in my distance rowing, I am ready for distance trials.

After I do distance trials, I will sharpen.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The best cross-country coach I ever had gave workouts like this: Easy 10 miles.

No one timed such runs.

You just ran easily!

...and then that "cross country" coach started dropping acid. His workout directions changed to: "Dudes! I want you to count the number of strides you take per minute when you're at a steady pace. Then, whenever you change your pace in later runs you have to alter the number of strides you take to match the same quotient of pace/strides per min. you had in prior runs. Henceforth this quotient will be known as SPI.
You must always run at the same SPI!"

[ranger]

Actually that's it - the only quantifiable goal (doh! I meant "intention") on that list is from 2003, and your world records. Since then any "intention" that has been quantifiable has been missed (e.g. setting the WR at numerous points between 2003 and now), and any "intention" that has been achieved (e.g. rowing at a certain SPI for your "distance stroke") has been sufficiently nebulous that you could declare victory whenever you chose.

So, you've answered my question, suitably qualified: The last time ranger achieved a quantifiable "intention" was in 2003.

No, not at all.

Near the end of my foundational training in 2006, I did 500r30 @ 1:30, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, 2Kr20 @ 1:46, and 2K (free rate) @ 12 SPI in 6:29.7 (without hard distance rowing or sharpening to prepare for it). That demonstrated my increased stroking power.

The next thing is distance trials.

Then I will sharpen.

ranger

[chgoss]

"I erg''d an hour today, some portions of which were done at a 1:45 pace" doesn't count as a "log" by any definition.

But "I pulled 20K at 15 SPI and 16-18 spm, taking rests as I need them, averaging about 2:00 pace," does.

A. You have never once, in 50 gazillion posts, included both distance and time when describing your training
B. Without an articulation of the rest period durations your statement is meaningless.

[whp4]

In order to row well OTW and get better yet on the erg, I changed how i row--entirely.

Intention achieved.

As you like to say, "there's no evidence of that!" You neither row well OTW (by any reasonable definition), nor have you gotten better on the erg, unless slower is better!

[jliddil]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063929/quotes?qt0349516

[ranger]

B. Without an articulation of the rest period durations your statement is meaningless.

No, it's not meaningless.

Try it.

Distribute the rests however you would like.

See how you do.

Your response is pure prejudice, pure presupposition, pure speculation, with no experience to back it up.

ranger

[mikvan52]

In order to row well OTW and get better yet on the erg, I changed how i row--entirely.

Intention achieved.

As you like to say, "there's no evidence of that!" You neither row well OTW (by any reasonable definition), nor have you gotten better on the erg, unless slower is better!

and then there's the "Strange Case of Ursula Grobler
... a WR holder on the erg who does not erg... the contrast (w/ranger) is remarkable: He thinks he can erg his way to success OTW w/o rowing. She sculls exclusive of any training on the erg to speak of...

Now there's "Two Types of Training" !

See:
http://www.rowingillustrated.com/boards ... =18&t=2478