The Two Types of Training

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 26th, 2010, 5:05 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
lancs wrote:If in the likely event of you not breaking 6:40 again next year Prof, what will your next move be?
That's too easy lancs!

17,000 more posts w/o any IND_V rankings at distances over 2k... :D
I have pulled 6:41 the last two years without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing.

I get a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

Who knows how much I get from hard distance rowing and distance trials.

Distance rowing is my major strength.

I don't need anything at all to break to Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR, which is 6:42.

When they are 60, Mike VB and Rocket Roy will have a hard time pulling 6:50.

They won't be anywhere near Brian Bailey's WR.

Pretty good
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » April 26th, 2010, 5:23 pm

ranger wrote:I don't need anything at all to break to Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR
You sure do. You have to complete your 60th year on earth, make weight and hope that you don't slow down as much in the next year as you did in the last :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 26th, 2010, 5:32 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:What do you predict for his 1 hour performance, John?
I'm predicting at least 17,300 meters.

That's a 1:44 pace, about 2k pace plus 10. :)
Thanks. Great prediction.
Now attach a certainty factor with $$ attached. I give you 100 to 1 odds (any weight for ranger). :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wow 100 to 1 odds! Is that based on $1 a meter?

And so, you're going to give me $1,730,000 when Rich breaks 60 minutes for the hour???

Now I am even more excited to see this result. :D
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by aharmer » April 26th, 2010, 5:34 pm

When you compare the 54 year old Nav to his peers you use the 50-54 sort. When you compare your 59 year old lying self to your peers you use the 59-70 sort.

Any explanation why? Also wondering if you have idea whatsoever what day and time you might consider a distance trial? I'd think with just a few days left you may have given the schedule a little thought.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by macroth » April 26th, 2010, 5:43 pm

John Rupp wrote:...when Rich breaks 60 minutes for the hour...
As likely as any other ranger prediction.
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All time PBs: 100m 14.0 | 500m 1:18.1 | 1k 2:55.7 | 2k 6:15.4 | 5k 16:59.3 | 6k 20:46.5 | 10k 35:46.0
40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JohnBove » April 26th, 2010, 6:45 pm

ranger wrote:I have pulled 6:41 the last two years without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing.
Liar.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » April 26th, 2010, 6:51 pm

ranger wrote: At the 2010 CRASH-Bs, Nav pulled 6:30.
...despite being sick. What did you row in Chicago last year after your feet got cold as you tried to make weight? Oh, yeah, you quit and went home!
In terms of the WRs, Nav is consistently 10 seconds short.
Spoken with authority by the guy who is consistently at least 12 seconds short.
I pulled a _lwt_ 6:28 when I was just a month or two shy of 53.

That was just shy of four seconds _under_ Jean-Paul Tardieu's 50s lwt WR at the time.
So, the record you broke was a hard one, you imply, but the record you've failed for years to break is soft, do I have that right? :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JohnBove » April 26th, 2010, 7:00 pm

ranger wrote: I pulled a _lwt_ 6:28 when I was just a month or two shy of 53.
And how many years ago was that, six? How many spit bits since? How many seven-minute-plus crap-outs? How many regurgitated lies? How many failed attempts? How many lame excuses for your failures?

How many levels deeper have you gone into your morbid psychopathology?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 26th, 2010, 8:34 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:What do you predict for his 1 hour performance, John?
I'm predicting at least 17,300 meters.
Thanks. Great prediction.
Now attach a certainty factor with $$ attached. I give you 100 to 1 odds (any weight for ranger). :lol: :lol: :lol:


I see you won't bet.
You just passed troll test #1 :mrgreen:

Go ahead. Put up a dollar...I'll give you a hundred if ranger logs a IND_V of 17,300m or more for an hour piece this week. Too small a bet? Make yours a thousand... I'll give it to hjs! :lol: :lol: :lol: thereby ending the welcher BS w/another troll.

(You won't do it... Moral scruples? "won't stand up in a court of law" :roll: :lol: :P

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » April 26th, 2010, 8:44 pm

whp4 wrote:
ranger wrote: At the 2010 CRASH-Bs, Nav pulled 6:30.
...despite being sick. What did you row in Chicago last year after your feet got cold as you tried to make weight? Oh, yeah, you quit and went home!
In terms of the WRs, Nav is consistently 10 seconds short.
Spoken with authority by the guy who is consistently at least 12 seconds short.
I pulled a _lwt_ 6:28 when I was just a month or two shy of 53.

That was just shy of four seconds _under_ Jean-Paul Tardieu's 50s lwt WR at the time.
Once again: It's simple. Ranger has not been to any major erg competition in years. He just trolling to pick up a response from Nav' (who has a WR right now).... Let's give Rich the benefit of the doubt about being the best 2k single year lwt
record holder (59) ever... that doesn't make him the best at any other distance. :idea:
Weight cutters are known to falter at long distances by the very reason of their dehydration... This is why none of us will ever see a record time from R. Cureton as lwt... We never have and never will.
All the posturing troll-jerk technique (TJT) with breaks won't make any difference.. The rankings will remain empty of any IND_V record marks from our titan of troll. THe predictions from him are really stale!

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 26th, 2010, 9:17 pm

John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Now attach a certainty factor with $$ attached. I give you 100 to 1 odds (any weight for ranger).
Wow 100 to 1 odds! Is that based on $1 a meter?

And so, you're going to give me $1,730,000 when Rich breaks 60 minutes for the hour???

Now I am even more excited to see this result. :D
mikvan52 wrote:I see you won't bet.

Go ahead. Put up a dollar...I'll give you a hundred
Oh this is even better. I will definitely put up $1, for you to give me a hundred. :)

And I will certainly bet $1 for you to give me $1,730,000.

I am even willing to remove the time limit.
Surely you don't think, that Rich will do this any other time, if not within the next 4 days as he's promised.

:)

To make the $1,730,000 wager official, let's put the funds into an escrow company.

Then when Rich does the 17,300 meters plus in an hour, they will transfer the money to me. :D

Or if he doesn't, they will transfer the $1 to you. :)

Yes, I am ready, let's do this. :)
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by rjw » April 26th, 2010, 10:40 pm

John Rupp wrote:Wow 100 to 1 odds!
Good going so far!
John Rupp wrote:And so, you're going to give me $1,730,000 when Rich breaks 60 minutes for the hour???
Think about this one John!
John Rupp wrote:And I will certainly bet $1 for you to give me $1,730,000.
Something doesn't add up. Hmm! What could it be?
John Rupp wrote:To make the $1,730,000 wager official,
Likely, you would need to come up withe $17,300
John Rupp wrote: let's put the funds into an escrow company.

Then when Rich does the 17,300 meters plus in an hour, they will transfer the money to me. :D

Or if he doesn't, they will transfer the $17,300 [fixed] to you. :)

Yes, I am ready, let's do this. :)
John, are you still ready?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by BrianStaff » April 26th, 2010, 11:16 pm

ranger wrote:
PaulH wrote: in general the folks here are pretty complimentary about what you do.
Hardly.

Look again.

The people posting here are just a bunch of trolls.
A lot of us just point out your constant lying...you're a sad human being ranger
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Carl Watts » April 26th, 2010, 11:49 pm

Welcome everyone to the the real "Mission Impossible"

This thread WILL self destruct in 4 days unless Ranger enters some IND_V coded distance times.

WARNING do not sit too close to your screen because when all the BS contained here blows up, it's going to get messy !

:lol:
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 27th, 2010, 12:31 am

rjw wrote:Or if he doesn't, they will transfer the $17,300 [fixed] to you. :)

John, are you still ready?
You're going to give me $17,300 if he doesn't - wow, I can't lose!

I accept your offer to pay me the $17,300!
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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