Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Rich: (ARE YOU LISTENING?)

To what?

If I can outrow you, why should I listen to you?

If I can outrow you, you have more problems than I do.

Shouldn't you solve your own problems before you misrepresent them as virtues and foist them off as "wisdom" onto someone else.

Time to get to work, coach.

Sure, I am willing to listen to how you respond to your own limitations.

Do you have the courage to confront them?

We're all here to give you support, if you want it.

It is clear that you need it.

But it isn't at all clear that you want it.

ranger

[ranger]

MIke--

Sorry to say so, MIke, but you're a rowing snob, of the first order.

Snobs rest on their laurels, their privileges, and their relation to traditions, which usually favor a minority and aggressively exclude the majority.

Snobbery went out of style back in the Renaissance--for good reason.

Time to lose the empty pretensions.

Snobbery is just fear of failure.

ranger

[PaulH]

If it isn' t already obvious, by the end of this indoor rowing season (2011), it will be clear that I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport, if not the best, bar none.

And hence by extension, in the hugely unlikely event that you don't even come close to fulfilling your boasts it will be clear that you're a blowhard.

[hjs]

I have the best coach in the world.



Thanks, coach.

You're amazing!

ranger

MIke--

Sorry to say so, MIke, but you're a rowing snob, of the first order.

Snobs rest on their laurels, their privileges, and their relation to traditions, which usually favor a minority and aggressively exclude the majority.

Snobbery went out of style back in the Renaissance--for good reason.

Time to lose the empty pretensions.

Snobbery is just fear of failure.

ranger

[ranger]

If it isn' t already obvious, by the end of this indoor rowing season (2011), it will be clear that I am one of the best ergers in the history of the sport, if not the best, bar none.

And hence by extension, in the hugely unlikely event that you don't even come close to fulfilling your boasts it will be clear that you're a blowhard.

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future), I am clearly, and factually, _not_ a blowhard.

You are.

RANKING RESULTS 2004

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2004 Season

1 Rich Cureton 52 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:28.0 RACE
2 Chris Bertram 51 Old Windsor GBR 6:37.7 RACE
3 Dennis Hastings 53 USA 6:39.5 RACE
4 Roger Prowse 58 Isle of Wight GBR 6:43.3 RACE
5 Taisto Ylönen 50 Kellokoski Finland GBR 6:44.8 RACE
5 Peter ENGLISH 50 GBR 6:44.8 RACE
7 Bob Lisle 52 GBR 6:47.1 RACE
8 Alain Mangin 54 GBR 6:47.5 RACE
9 Aage CHRISTIANSEN 52 Oslo N NOR 6:53.2 RACE
10 George Meredith 54 Gravesend Kent GBR 6:55.7 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 172

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 Gregory Brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE

ranger

[macroth]

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future) compared to my predictions and boastings, I am clearly, and factually, a blowhard.

Fixed.

Let's not be too hard on ranger, he hasn't yet mastered the English language and can get confused about the meaning or usage of certain words.

[lancs]

Even by your standards Prof, you come across as a particularly loathsome individual today..

[Citroen]

Even by your standards Prof, you come across as a particularly loathsome individual today..

His medication must be wearing off again.

[NavigationHazard]

Interesting question, actually: who is the best erger in the history of the sport. How do you value longevity against absolute results? Do you privilege competition 2ks over other results?

My personal short list would start with the four current Open record holders: Waddell, Balmary, Stephensen and Grobler. The rest of the top ten would have Mattias Siejkowski, Pavel Shurmei, Lisa Schlenker, Carie Graves, John Hodgson and Andy Ripley (with Anna Bailey and Joan van Blom honorable mention). But it's entirely subjective....

[ranger]

Interesting question, actually: who is the best erger in the history of the sport. How do you value longevity against absolute results? Do you privilege competition 2ks over other results?

My personal short list would start with the four current Open record holders: Waddell, Balmary, Stephensen and Grobler. The rest of the top ten would have Mattias Siejkowski, Pavel Shurmei, Lisa Schlenker, Carie Graves, John Hodgson and Andy Ripley (with Anna Bailey and Joan van Blom honorable mention). But it's entirely subjective....

Sure.

If I reach my goals, and I seem to be on track to do just that, this might change pretty suddenly.

A lwt 6:16 at 60 would give me four WRs, all of the WRs in the 55s and 60s division, both hwt and lwt, and by implication, the 50s lwt and 40s lwt WRs, too.

Except for the 40s lwt and 55s lwt WR, these WRs would be lasting, if not permanent, at least for the foreseeable future.

If I stay healthy and continue my present physical habits, including my erging and rowing OTW, and have a long life, it is also clear that the WRs from 65-100, both lwt and hwt, would be enormously vulnerable to falling as I move from age division to age division, if I reach a peak with a lwt 6:16 at 60.

ranger

ranger

[KevJGK]

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future)

[ranger]

Interesting question, actually: who is the best erger in the history of the sport. How do you value longevity against absolute results? Do you privilege competition 2ks over other results?

My personal short list would start with the four current Open record holders: Waddell, Balmary, Stephensen and Grobler. The rest of the top ten would have Mattias Siejkowski, Pavel Shurmei, Lisa Schlenker, Carie Graves, John Hodgson and Andy Ripley (with Anna Bailey and Joan van Blom honorable mention). But it's entirely subjective....

Sure.

If I reach my goals, and I seem to be on track to do just that, this might change pretty suddenly, though.

A lwt 6:16 at 59 and 60 would give me four WRs, all of the WRs in the 55s and 60s division, both hwt and lwt, and by implication, the 50s lwt and 40s lwt WRs, too.

Except for the 40s lwt and 55s hwt WR, these WRs would be lasting, if not permanent, at least for the foreseeable future.

If I stay healthy and continue my present physical habits, including my erging and rowing OTW, and have a long life, it is also clear that the WRs from 65-100, both lwt and hwt, would be enormously vulnerable to falling as I move from age division to age division, if I reach a peak with a lwt 6:16 at 60.

65–69 HWT James Castellan U.S.A. 6:44.2 2010
LWT Edwin Alderman U.S.A. 7:01.5 2003
70–74 HWT Paul Guest Australia 6:56.2 2010
LWT Geoffrey Knight United Kingdom 7:13.4 2005
75–79 HWT Stephen Rounds U.S.A. 7:22.3 2005
LWT Dean Smith U.S.A. 7:25.3 2004
80–84 HWT Dean Smith U.S.A. 7:45.5 2008
LWT Walter Wagner Germany 7:42.0 2008
85–89 HWT Robert Spenger U.S.A. 8:15.3 2010
LWT Robert Spenger U.S.A. 8:13.6 2010
90–94 HWT Joe Clinard Jr. U.S.A. 10:07.3 2009
LWT John Hodgson United Kingdom 9:25.8 2002
95–99 LWT John Hodgson United Kingdom 10:28.1 2006

ranger

[PaulH]

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future), I am clearly, and factually, _not_ a blowhard.

Wrong. Your world record rows came before you started making routine and inflated claims of what you would achieve. In fact what is notable is that since you started making predictions you've stopped excelling.

You are.

Name a single instance where I've boasted about my achievements, or claimed that I'll do something and then failed to deliver.

[ranger]

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future)

If you have past and present achievements, and are training actively at a high level, you have every right in the world to project future achievements.

ranger

[ranger]

you've stopped excelling

You're a dolt, Paul.

The only way to continue to excel is to invest, learn, grow, and improve, as I have been doing, not just keep flailing away.

Yikes.

Is that a watermelon on your shoulders?

Last year, I pulled WR pace, nonetheless, without even preparing for it.

While you are investing, you can't be spending.

While you are learning, growing, and improving, you can't be performing.

ranger