The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

In a little over three months, this thread has had 4020 posts and 58,000 views.

Damn.

I am making money for Concept 2--hand over fist.

Cha-ching.

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ranger

[ranger]

Concept2 should hire me--immediately.

Full time--with overtime.

In terms of advertising and promotion, I am a _magic-man_ for their company.

Money.

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Cha-ching.

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ranger

[ranger]

You don't understand that where you attention is bent your dollars are spent?

Wake up, dudes.

This is global capitalism, not amateur athletics.

ranger

[rjw]

Most of this forum has nothing to do with training.

I agree as most of the posts are yours!

[ranger]

It seems odd to say so, but the most important thing that I will do every day for the next year or so is a couple of hours on my bike, in addition to my rowing on the erg and OTW.

This cross-training will keep my body fat below 10% and therefore my weight at or below 165 lbs., ready to compete as a lightweight.

Next year, I will have to do nothing to manage my weight other than maintain my cross-training routines.

I have no weight to lose.

ranger

[bloomp]

You don't understand that where you attention is bent your dollars are spent?

Wake up, dudes.

This is global capitalism, not amateur athletics.

ranger

Yeah! I see dozens of advertisements and popups! Clearly C2 is making loads of money off this page. And everyone that comes here usually already has a rowing machine (or access to one) so they're not really expanding their market...

Also, phpBB is free and very easy to maintain. They can probably host this website from a pretty small server. A few RAID arrays for data storage and tape backup. Or a second computer with a RAID array backing up simultaneously. At most $10,000. They probably have a single programmer for the website, and a few other engineers that moonlight as system admins.

[ranger]

Most of this forum has nothing to do with training.

I agree as most of the posts are yours!

Idiots think and say all kinds of odd things.

So I guess what you say here follows, too.




ranger

[ranger]

You don't understand that where you attention is bent your dollars are spent?

Wake up, dudes.

This is global capitalism, not amateur athletics.

ranger

Yeah! I see dozens of advertisements and popups! Clearly C2 is making loads of money off this page. And everyone that comes here usually already has a rowing machine (or access to one) so they're not really expanding their market...

Also, phpBB is free and very easy to maintain. They can probably host this website from a pretty small server. A few RAID arrays for data storage and tape backup. Or a second computer with a RAID array backing up simultaneously. At most $10,000. They probably have a single programmer for the website, and a few other engineers that moonlight as system admins.

No, the money is not at all direct, in ads, etc.

The money is interest in the rowing machine.

Interest in erging.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I have various other hobbies, too--gardening, guitar, piano, philosophy, evolutionary psychology and anthropology, time and temporality, music theory, poetry, poetics, languages, literature, linguistics, ethics, psychology, history and historiography, aesthetics, literary theory, canoeing, sailing, swimming, running, hiking, biking, woodsmanship (of various sorts), camping, financial systems and investing, etc.

(He neglected to include histrionics and bibulous oenology)

[Carl Watts]

Well only 6 days to go until May 1st 2010.

Starting to head towards an unrealistic timeframe to post a flurry of PB's in all of the C2 Log ranked events.

If you cannot post anything then we just have to start to look at the psychology behind it.

I personally think your problem is you cannot bring yourself to posting a verified result unless it's a WR, while many people are happy posting PB's "In progress" as they continue to improve, and by your own admission you have continued to get better since 2003 so posting for you should have been a very rewarding experience the same as it is for me and nearly everyone else when they beat a PB.

You can no longer even get to WR pace in any distance event coupled with the fact you have set yourself impossible goals that are even better than WR's and told this Forum about them so now you feel you cannot post until you achieve them.

The end result is you will never be able to bring yourself to post any distance rows, which is a shame really because I'm sure anyone reading this forum would like to know what is still possible at your age and would have something in terms of actual verified results to aim for in the future.

[jliddil]

Most of this forum has nothing to do with training.

I agree as most of the posts are yours!

Idiots think and say all kinds of odd things.

So I guess what you say here follows, too.




ranger

I'd like to help you out. Which way did you come in?

[wgr]

Rudyard Kipling
If

........

jliddil,

One of my favorites from Kipling. Thanks for posting it. I will pass this poem on to my kids on Father's Day, as a reminder of what life is about.

It's very similar to:

Wise Advice
from Mother Teresa
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered;
Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind,
people may accuse you of selfish ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.

If you are successful,
you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and frank,
people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.

What you spend years building,
someone could destroy overnight.
Build anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness,
they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.

The good you do today,
people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.

Give the world the best you have,
and it may never be enough;
Give the best you've got anyway.

You see, in the final analysis
it is between you and God;
it was never between you and them anyway.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Walter

[ranger]

I personally think your problem is you cannot bring yourself to posting a verified result unless it's a WR, while many people are happy posting PB's "In progress" as they continue to improve, and by your own admission you have continued to get better since 2003 so posting for you should have been a very rewarding experience the same as it is for me and nearly everyone else when they beat a PB.

I have been racing regularly.

So it is a misrepresentation to say that I am not posting results unless they are WRs.

I have the best 2Ks (6:41) in my age and weight division (55s lwts) for the last two years, although 6:38 is the WR.

I have done these 2Ks just to participate.

I haven't used my training to prepare for these races so that I could race as fast as possible.

I just like to go to race venues, etc.

So I go even though I am unprepared.

I haven't done any maximal 2Ks at home.

In addition to racing 2Ks, I have also posted results from where I have been in my training.

When I was doing foundational training, I posted 500r30 @ 1:30, 1Kr24 @ 1:38, and 2Kr20 @ 1:46.

2Kr20 @ 1:46 is right about as fast as you can do 2K, rating 20 spm, even though I am 60 years old and 165 lbs.

That's pulling 14.5 SPI.

In a short while, I will post the results of my distance training.

After that, I will post results of my sharpening.

Compared to most of those who post here, I suppose that this is the major difference in my approach:

In my training, I have _not_ assumed, as many here seem to, that it is good to be sharpening all of the time, just so that you have good results over various races to post--every day, continuously.

I have assumed that racing is racing; training, training.

I have assumed that the two are not the same.

I have assumed that if you train so that you can post race results as much as possible, after a very short while, you never get better.

You only get worse.

There is overwhelming evidence that this is true.

Mike van Beuren worked _very_ hard on the erg this year, but just got worse.

Rocket Roy pulled 6:38 in 2006 but try as he might he would have trouble pulling 6:50 now.

At WIRC 2010, Mike van Beuren tried his best but only pulled just that: 6:50.

The 60s lwt American record is only 6:56.

So, historically, other lwt 60s rowers, training the same way, have been that bad, too.

For WIRC 2011, I will be 60.

But I am training to row a lwt 6:16, not a lwt 6:56.

Why?

I have already rowed a lightweight 6:28.

I am training to get better not worse.

6:16 and 6:56 are incomparable.

Different worlds.

You can't train like you are going to row 6:56 and then one day just sit down and row 6:16.

If you are going to row 6:16, you have to train for it.

You have to be able to do things like 500r30 @ 1:30 and 1Kr24 @ 1:38.

You have to do 60min @ 1:44.

Etc.

The question is, of course, as a 60s lightweight, how do you train yourself to do such things?

I am showing you.

ranger

[ranger]

If you are going to pull 10 SPI, I think it matters quite a bit whether you do your steady state rowing 2:06 @ 16 spm or 1:43 @ 32 spm.

The latter is twice as fast.

I am now approaching the latter.

Great stuff.

ranger

[ranger]

Carl--

The best training goes this way (and in this order):

(1) Learn to row effectively (Foundational training at low rates, 16-26 spm, and high stroking powers).

(2) Learn to row efficiently (Distance training at moderate rates, 27-32 spm, and low stroking powers).

(3) Row fast (Sharpening at high rates, 33-40 spm, and moderate stroking powers).

(4) Race.

ranger