The Two Types of Training

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by aharmer » April 21st, 2010, 8:30 am

Funny, because you are on this forum about 20 hours a day, you are able to immediately respond to my post with 3 replies. None of which contain any information about an erg distance trial. You're where you need to be, how about logging off for an hour a day and doing a distance trial champ?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 21st, 2010, 8:44 am

aharmer wrote:Funny, because you are on this forum about 20 hours a day, you are able to immediately respond to my post with 3 replies. None of which contain any information about an erg distance trial. You're where you need to be, how about logging off for an hour a day and doing a distance trial champ?
Are you sure that your father would recommend it?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by chgoss » April 21st, 2010, 8:45 am

ranger wrote:
Carl Watts wrote:with some more actual training I might just get there.
"Actual" meaning "timed"?
No, timing your rows won't make you better.
Timing your rows will sure tell you if you're getting faster :wink:
it will also tell you if you arent..
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 21st, 2010, 8:59 am

chgoss wrote:
ranger wrote:
Carl Watts wrote:with some more actual training I might just get there.
"Actual" meaning "timed"?
No, timing your rows won't make you better.
Timing your rows will sure tell you if you're getting faster :wink:
it will also tell you if you arent..
If you are fully trained up for them, yes.

Otherwise, no.

That's why I am working hard to get fully trained up for them.

I am delighted with the 32 spm I am doing now in my distance training.

Wonderful stuff.

Haven't done this sort of thing in years.

With the combination of effectiveness and efficiency that have now, the lower drag I am rowing at, and my high anaerobic threshold (172 bpm), honestly, I don't see why I can't again do 32 spm for an hour, when I am fully trained up for it.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Nosmo » April 21st, 2010, 9:11 am

(5) Pace is rate x SPI.
Is it time for another quiz (or rather the same quiz once more)?
For someone who likes SPI so much you seem to have no understanding of what it means.
You also demonstrate an amazing ability to never learn anything and to repeat your mistakes over and over again.
It is very common for professors not to ever admit a mistake, but I have yet to meet one who is so insistent on endlessly repeating the same blatant errors. The above quote is only one of many you've made in your recent posts. I repeat it here rather then some other error because the previous quizes made you look so foolish and you got so angry about them. But then again you seem to like attention no matter what kind it is and it is my own stupidity and weakness for giving you any.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by chgoss » April 21st, 2010, 9:16 am

ranger wrote:
Carl Watts wrote:with some more actual training I might just get there.
"Actual" meaning "timed"?
No, timing your rows won't make you better.
ranger wrote:
chgoss wrote: Timing your rows will sure tell you if you're getting faster :wink:
it will also tell you if you arent..
If you are fully trained up for them, yes. Otherwise, no.
Whatever "fully trained" means, obviously, we both know that your statement is inaccurate... "getting better" (or not) is a place somewhere between where ever you choose to start measuring your progress, and your ultimate goal.
"Measuring progress" by definition refers to identifying where you are wrt your achieving your goal and if you are getting better or not.

ps. I know what "fully trained" means.. it means you just pulled a 6:16 at which point you can claim to be fully trained.. pulling anything less means you arent fully trained, natch!
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by lancs » April 21st, 2010, 9:47 am

ranger wrote:I do trials when I am ready, and I am indeed getting ready.
Translated = 'not a chance of even one single distance trial before May.. ' :)

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mrfit » April 21st, 2010, 10:10 am

Lancs,
Say it ain't so!

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bloomp » April 21st, 2010, 10:51 am

When was this 17:10 5k?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » April 21st, 2010, 10:51 am

bloomp wrote:When was this 17:10 5k?

in 1871 :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bloomp » April 21st, 2010, 10:54 am

hjs wrote:
bloomp wrote:When was this 17:10 5k?

in 1871 :lol:
Well I see an unverified 17:18 in 2002 and no other attempts. But he was beat solidly by 4 other, older rowers.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » April 21st, 2010, 11:23 am

bloomp wrote:
hjs wrote:
bloomp wrote:When was this 17:10 5k?

in 1871 :lol:
Well I see an unverified 17:18 in 2002 and no other attempts. But he was beat solidly by 4 other, older rowers.
You can check out the Rankings and Nonathlon in 2002 , he did put in his results there. In no other year he did again.

His first race ever is still his 2k pb................. kind of funny :wink:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » April 21st, 2010, 12:39 pm

hjs wrote:His first race ever is still his 2k pb................. kind of funny
No, given my time (6:27.5) and the fact that I can make weight and row well, this is not funny at all, but absolutely normal (and a tribute to my training).

At the time, the 50s lwt WR was 6:31.6.

In recent times (the last 15 years), besides me, no male 2K WR-holder, 40-70, has ever gotten better.

As I have been describing over the last seven years, it takes considerable effort to overcome your weaknesses, and if you are a WR-holder, you can't get better unless you overcome your weaknesses.

You can't get better by just parading your strengths.

Most people never try to overcome their weaknesses.

They just parade their strengths.

So they just get worse.

Over the last seven years, I think I have succeeded in overcoming my major weaknesses, which were largely technical, but we'll have to wait about see if I am right about this.

The normal decline with age from 50 to 60 is 17 seconds over 500m.

So, if I even pull a 6:28 lightweight 2K at some point this year, I beat expectations by 17 seconds.

That is not my goal at all, though.

My goal is 6:16.

That would beat expectations by right around a half a minute over 2K.

People like MIke VB and Rocket Roy will have trouble pulling 6:50 when they are 60.

If I pull 6:16, that 6:50 (what Mike VB pulled this year at WIRC 2010) will be 34 seconds off the pace, 8.5 seconds per 500m.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by jliddil » April 21st, 2010, 12:48 pm

ranger wrote: Over the last seven years, I think I have succeeded in overcoming my major weaknesses, which were largely technical, but we'll have to wait about see if I am right about this.
Anyone willing to set odds?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » April 21st, 2010, 1:03 pm

There are still 9 1/2 days left in the ranking season.

This is plenty of time to add 9 more events to the rankings.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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