Ranger's training thread

[hjs]

It would take you roughly 5-6 minutes to do a step test to establish your factual max HR

No need.

I assume that the HR I will see during sharpening at the end of the last couple of reps of 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:32 will be pretty close to max.

I assume that I would also see my max HR in a 1K trial.

ranger

and then we get again, hartrate is not ready yet

[hjs]

No one believed you then, and no one believes you now.

Believe what you want.

What can I do, other than report what is happening?

Last year, I did a couple of easy 5Ks where my HR was 175 bpm at the finish and I posted the screen shots.

So, the last little bits of those 5Ks, where I pulled it down to 1:44, were AT.

You didn't believe those either?

ranger

You did not, a pure lie , you showed nothing, you haven,t any row in years

[mikvan52]

Most elite lightweights .....

Point of information... for elites...

The indoor erg season ends in February for elite lwt rowers. During the indoor season the lwt (C2 only) req. is 165 lbs.
THen (!) the weight shifts down 5 lbs to 160...

Elite rowers do not focus on getting under 165lbs as a goal during the current time of year...They focus on getting under 160...

Naturally this does not apply to ranger as he sits alone in his basement cogitating on what it means to him...


'nuther subject:

Rich,,,
Good luck with your first continuous timed 4k row (OTW) of your life the day after tomorrow!
Hope you'll share the actual distance and the actual time it will take..

[aharmer]

I assume that the HR I will see during sharpening at the end of the last couple of reps of 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:32 will be pretty close to max.

Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!! Okay, let's play this game again. Do you have any idea when this workout might happen? Any chance you could put it on your calendar, let us know the date, post the screenshot with HR data?

By the way, any interest in knocking out a 2k at 13 SPI r27? For somebody that has already done the training to pull a 2k at 13 SPI r32, this should be incredibly easy. As a matter of fact, if you look at watts, which is the right way to do it even though you refuse to, you pulling a 13 SPI r27 would be equivalent to a 7:00 erger sitting down and pulling a 7:26.

In other words, you should be able to do it in your sleep without warmup. You could walk down to the cave at any time and just knock it out, take a picture and shut us all up. Oh yeah, you'd also be setting an unofficial WR at the same time. Unless of course we care about your elevated weight, then you have to start looking at a different set of records.

[ranger]

You did not

Yes, I did.

ranger

[ranger]

The indoor erg season ends in February for elite lwt rowers. During the indoor season the lwt (C2 only) req. is 165 lbs.
THen (!) the weight shifts down 5 lbs to 160...

At our age, weight doesn't matter OTW, as you have shown.

There are no weight classes for Veterans at the Head of the Charles.

I have no intention of rowing as a lighweight OTW.

I will just try to be as fat-free as possible so that I will be as fast as possible.

Whatever that comes to be in terms of weight is fine.

OTW, in a heavyweight race, if I weigh 170 lbs., rather than 270 lbs., I will be massively advantaged.

ranger

[ranger]

If I succeed OTErg as I think I will, weight will no longer matter on the erg, either.

I will break Hendershott's 60s hwt WR by quite a margin, rowing as a lightweight.

ranger

[ranger]

Good luck with your first continuous timed 4k row (OTW) of your life the day after tomorrow!

Thanks.

This Monday, I'll just paddle down the course three times at 21 spm.

Then I'll up the rate a click each week.

The issue for the three rows on Monday will not be what time I can do over 3.5K, but how well I can row at 21 spm while negotiating the course.

At 7 SPI, which would be a very modest achievement, the rates and paces would be these, as the weeks go by before the regatta:

2:14 @ 21 spm
2:12 @ 22 spm
2:10 @ 23 spm (10 MPS)
2:08 @ 24 spm
2:06 @ 25 spm

At 7 SPI, 28 spm is 2:01.

What was your best at the Head of the Charles?

2:06?

ranger

[hjs]

You did not

Yes, I did.

ranger

If you did you can give the link or post it again, you won,t either cause you can,t. The only reason you say this lie is to pretent you every now and then you show something, but you never ever did and never ever dare to.

[ranger]

You did not

Yes, I did.

ranger

If you did you can give the link or post it again, you won,t either cause you can,t. The only reason you say this lie is to pretent you every now and then you show something, but you never ever did and never ever dare to.

Bah.

You just missed it, Henry.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Fraud. You did no such 5ks and posted no such screenshots. Not here, not on the UK Forum.
Fraud fraud fraud.

[mikvan52]

The indoor erg season ends in February for elite lwt rowers. During the indoor season the lwt (C2 only) req. is 165 lbs.
THen (!) the weight shifts down 5 lbs to 160...

At our age, weight doesn't matter OTW, as you have shown.

(snip)

I have no intention of rowing as a lighweight OTW.

(snip)

(snip)

Rich:
As I have racing experience (at our age) on the water, let me share something with you.

Weight does matter...
I have had a hard time beating people like Scott Roop when there is a head wind and when he is in shape.
I count myself lucky when I do beat him.
(Scott is our age and wins at the HOCR with Peter Kermond in the 2x).

Personally, I wish I weighed more. The trouble is that I have too high a metabolism to put on more muscle mass.

I know that among single scullers of low body fat percentage the heavier sculler wins... Doesn't that make sense to you too? Or, do you insist on being difficult and obstructive about what should be common sense?

Look at Drysdale 6'7"... much heavier than a Synek or a Campbell... Drysdale has the WR... for a couple of reasons... one of which is: He's heavier... and it's muscle.

Look at the Poznan WC race of 2009... Massive tailwind. (lighter scullers get a break w/such conditions)... Mahe still won.

[mikvan52]

Fraud. You did no such 5ks and posted no such screenshots. Not here, not on the UK Forum.
Fraud fraud fraud.

Nav':

Perhaps it's aphasia (?)
When ranger's ancestors came down from trees, perhaps they landed on their heads..


In reality, it's just ranger intentionally speaking a 'mis'-truth... as becomes his scurrilous but endearing troll-like nature.

Was to go, RIch !... you got a strike on your liar's bait.

[mikvan52]

At our age, weight doesn't matter OTW, (snip)
There are no weight classes for Veterans at the Head of the Charles.

So... MKIA (mr know it all), How many lightweights our age have won the Head of the Charles? The race has been around for quite a while...

Please list the lwts in the 50-59 and 60-69 who were 160 or less when they won... I can't think of one (I don't know) but you seem to...
Why would you state something definitively if you don't know either?
How many are there, MKIA?
Are there more of these than hwts...?

no.

Here again.... I know of lwts (our age) who've single sculled the HOCR for years.... and they medal... and they don't win...
Want an example?... Jack Meyer.....

[ranger]

Weight does matter...

Not like it does OTErg.

55s hwts on the erg have pulled 6:18.

You won the 55s lwt hammer last year with 6:50.

Are there 55s heavyweights OTW who can outrow you over 2K by 32 seconds, over 1K by 16 seconds?

Hardly.

To do that for 1K, they would have to row 3:24.

1:42 pace

In relative terms, OTW punishes weight; the erg doesn't.

If erg races were scored in terms of watts/kg rather than watts alone, erg races would be decided in ways that are similar to OTW races.

This is indeed done in various European venues, as I understand.

Italy?

On the erg, in terms of watt/kg, you beat people like Stan Vegar by quite a margin.

ranger