The Two Types of Training

[snowleopard]

All hail Reid Frawd!

Yea, I am sure that Rod's distance times intimidate you pretty severely.

His standard workout was 2 x 30min @ 1:44.

He did 1:45 for a HM.

Prove it.

[ranger]

I am going to pull 6:16.

Fast forward to 2020.
ranger will be saying the same thing.

Hard sharpening coming right up.
Head of the Charles victory the year after next!
All hail Reid Frawd!

Mike--

All of this impatience is yours, not mine, including the memento mori.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori

In the indoor rowing season, I did just fine this year.

It is you that didn't.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE

You were fully trained and sharpened but got quite a bit worse.

I was only half trained and did great.

Now that I am quite a bit closer to being fully trained, I think I'll nab that AT 2K, 1:37 @ 33 spm, I was looking for in the winter before the end of the month.

If I do, I'll be _20_ seconds better than you over 2K this year on the erg, without even sharpening for it!

Yes, time is indeed running out for you, Mike.

Better giddy-up, or your goal of winning the Head of the Charles will fade away.

Good luck with it.

I already have my WR rows on the erg, and promises of more WRs on the erg to come, as far off into the future as I can see.

I am now transitioning nicely to the water, too.

So that's just _more_ fun.

I only started rowing OTW a few years ago.

I am not a rowing coach.

Etc.

You have been rowing for 40 years!

Your situation is entirely different from mine.

So perhaps it's time to cool it in your comments on what I am doing.

There is no reason to dump your own internal pressures and anxieties on me.

I don't have them.

It's you that has them.

Enjoy!



ranger

[paul s]

If we took all postings except for Ranger off of these 253 pages, we'd probably still have over 200 pages.

Cheers, Paul S

[mikvan52]

If we took all postings except for Ranger off of these 253 pages, we'd probably still have over 200 pages.

Cheers, Paul S

Cheers, Paul!

If we took all the years between 2003 and now and counted the IND_V (or RACE) rows from ranger at distances over 2k, we'd definitely have a huge zero.



If you disbelieve me, check the concept2.com rankings. His name is absent because, for whatever reason, he is unable to verify his claims that he is a superior distance erger.

Any one reading this forum for training advice about distance erging or OTW rowing would do well to look elsewhere:

Please remember that ranger's advice may mislead you. DO NOT FOLLOW IT.
The "spi" controversy is just one indication of such bad advice. "RWB" is another.

I speak to you as a champion rower both on the erg and the water and one who has superior performances to ranger at distance and on the water.

I will no longer engage in fake "discussions" with R. Cureton, known as ranger. I no longer have interest in banter.
He has nothing to share with anyone and it not forthcoming with anything of value in these pages.

Beware!



I will repeat this advice from time to time in ranger threads.
Good advice for the erg will be found elsewhere on this forum where people wisely ignore his views.

Note: Anyone wishing to refer to this post should quote it in its entirety. Please include the signature. I do not wish to be quoted out of context.

[ranger]

If you disbelieve me, check the concept2.com rankings. His name is absent because, for whatever reason, he is unable to verify his claims that he is a superior distance erger.

True. I am just finishing up my distance training now.

And so I am just preparing for distance trials.

Again, the impatience is just yours, though, not mine, and clearly, it is paralyzing/torturous for you.

I am sympathetic, but what can I say?

It's your problem, not mine.

My 60min pb is 16.7K.

I think I can now do 17.3K.

Your scores for 60min are a half a mile to a mile short of this.

Half a mile?

A mle?

Yikes.

That's astonishing.

I understand that losers have more anxieties than winners, but there is no need to parade that fact here.

Everyone here already knows about the psychology of a loser.

By parading it here, you just embarrass yourself.

ranger

[mikvan52]

If we took all the years between 2003 and now and counted the IND_V (or RACE) rows from ranger at distances over 2k, we'd definitely have a huge zero.
If you disbelieve me, check the concept2.com rankings. His name is absent because, for whatever reason, he is unable to verify his claims that he is a superior distance erger.

Any one reading this forum for training advice about distance erging or OTW rowing would do well to look elsewhere:

Judge ranger's rowing by clicking HERE and selecting videos of your choice. These are the 61 videos he has made public.

[jliddil]

Once upon a time:

Hi.

My name is Rich Cureton.

I am a 56-year-old lightweight.

I love sports of all kinds and have had quite a bit of experience with endurance/power sports such as rowing.

As a kid (4-14), I was a speed skater (in the UCT skating club, home of Bonne Blair and her sisters, etc., in Urbana, IL).

In school (14-21), I ran track and cross country in the spring and fall, and swam in the winter.

In the summers as a kid and young adult (10-25), I was a canoeist.

In adulthood (21-50), I was a marathon runner.

I took up indoor rowing in 2000-2001 when I was 50 years old, as an alternative to running.

I bought a 1x (Peinert26) in the summer of 2003 and have been rowing on the water quite a bit since then.

To pay the bills, I am an English professor (at the University of Michigan).

I teach linguistics and poetics.

I am married (31 years!) and have three children (ages 20, 22, and 23).

I am delighted to have an opportunity to try out for the 2007 USIRT.

Best of luck to everyone in their training.

ranger

[ranger]

Any one reading this forum for training advice about distance erging or OTW rowing would do well to look elsewhere:

Wow.

You're gonna eat these words.

You haven't come anywhere near my distance times on the erg.

And now I am quite a bit better than I was in 2003.

By the end of the summer, probably by the end of this month, my distance times will be in the range of seven seconds per 500m beyond yours.

Hard to see what you are implying here with reference to my videos.

That learning to row in inappropriate, because you already have?

Generous of you, Mike.

As it turns out, I have worked on my weaknesses and gotten better.

Can't see that you have.

ranger

[ranger]

Once upon a time:

Nope.

Just as it always was.

If there were a USIRT, I would be the representative for the 55s lwts.

I have the best 2K time this year--by far.

No contest.

And without even preparing for it.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE

ranger

[jliddil]

OK so this is something I'll throw out there.

There are the Diamonds are forever ad.

Ron White says "Diamonds, That'll Shut Her Up

So 6:16 should shut us all up once and for all

[aharmer]

What's this end of summer bullshit? You've been saying end of April for months, just get it done and end this soap opera for God sake. And again I'll request that you do it in front of a witness so we can get the facts regardless what distances and times you achieve. So classes end next Tuesday. Not sure why teaching for a couple hours each day prohibits you from doing a distance trial, you seem to find time to erg with breaks for about 4 hours a day while teaching. Is there any reason to think you couldn't do your first distance trial Wednesday morning and rank it immediately following completion?

Unfortunately the end of the soap opera is what you fear most, and that is why we'll never see a ranked piece.

[whp4]

My 60min pb is 16.7K.

I think I can now do 17.3K.

Your scores for 60min are a half a mile to a mile short of this.

There you go again, comparing what Mike does with what you imagine you might do. If you had even a slight chance of doing 17.3K (hint: you don't), you could knock out a 16K piece without working up much of a sweat, none of this endless excuse-making about how you aren't prepared yet necessary.

I understand that losers have more anxieties than winners, but there is no need to parade that fact here.

Everyone here already knows about the psychology of a loser.

Yes, your anxieties dating back to 2004 ("I'm not going to row at BIRC despite flying all the way here because my stroke isn't ready") are quite illustrative. Will your new shell be blue? It would make an attractive combination with your yellow streak. Mix those two colors together and you get green, which is probably how you look after an hour or two of porpoising about with that stroke of yours.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, you're running out of time...nay-sayers are going to be right yet again!

[jliddil]

Once upon a time:

Hi.
I bought a 1x (Peinert26) in the summer of 2003 and have been rowing on the water quite a bit since then.

Ranger

by ranger » September 21st, 2009, 1:31 am
I didn't start learning to row until 2004.
For instance, I didn't get in a boat until 2004.

[whp4]

Once upon a time:

Hi.
I bought a 1x (Peinert26) in the summer of 2003 and have been rowing on the water quite a bit since then.

Ranger

by ranger » September 21st, 2009, 1:31 am
I didn't start learning to row until 2004.
For instance, I didn't get in a boat until 2004.

The demented codger (and truth dodger) can't even keep his age straight, so we shouldn't expect much attention to historical detail, especially when it gets in the way of his grand story-telling...

[mrfit]

By the end of the summer, probably by the end of this month, my distance times will be in the range of seven seconds per 500m beyond yours.



ranger

Exactly. I'm thinking this month too. Is your HR riding steady at 170 now? I rode at 170 for 32 minutes the other day (OTB) but it will take a bit more training before I can hold 180 for that kind of time (again). Racing, for me, is still 3 weeks away. I can seem to dig a bit deeper under pressure.