The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

That's why your best post-2003 row (as a heavyweight in Baltimore in 2006) was 6:29.7, and your final appearance in Boston just a few weeks later, rowing as a lightweight, was 7:04.3.

I just had some (hydration) to lose and not quite enough time before WIRC to lose it.

The Baltimore Burn in 2006 was on February 11th, only a week or two before WIRC.

I rowed as a heavyweight at he Burn because I was not able to make weight at earlier venues that year and the Burn was my last chance to qualify for WIRC.

Losing (water) just takes time and disciplined (stepper gArbage).

It isn't hard at all.

(snip)
Losing (water) doesn't make you erg slower.(it puts you in a group of slower people on the erg)



ranger

(edited for truth)

No, not at all.

I usually need to lose quite a bit of fat to row as a lightweight, as I did this year.

This year, between October and March, I lost about 20 pounds, bringing my fat down from about 17% to 9%.

About 20 pounds?

It takes quite a while to lose 20 pounds of fat.

You can't do it overnight.

ranger

[ranger]

Which ones do you promise to do? I know already that you won't do them all...

Promise?

I am not "promising" anything.

I am just _intending_, for whatever that is worth.

Training is coming along great, so these intentions seem solid at the moment.

In my training, I now have both my ratings and heart rates up to levels appropriate for distance racing.

All sorts of things can frustrate intentions, though--injury, illness, other demands (work, family, etc.), and so forth.

So no "promises" at all.

Just (vulnerable, flawed, contingent) intentions.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Before you run away from yet another SPECIFIC topic:

Why, again, can you not simply post a workout (not a trial by the end of some month)?

You're the guy who professes to go under 17:00 OTErg at 5k... 17:49 today would be no problem at whatever weight you are...

Or, as most suppose, are you just a talker?

I am not "promising" anything.

I am just _intending_, for whatever that is worth.

Training is coming along great, so these intentions seem solid at the moment.


So no "promises" at all.

Is this is for "I will try to"?

OMG WTF , 'n-all !

pathetic!

[mikvan52]

I usually need to lose quite a bit of fat to row as a lightweight, as I did this year.

This year, between October and March, I lost about 20 pounds, bringing my fat down from about 17% to 9%.

I'm confounded.
How does an athlete who ergs millions of meters a year EVER get to 17% body fat. I think I recall you're having said 10 million meters last year!.
I only erg 1 million a year and am at 8% constantly...

Shed some light on this if you would, please.

Do you have some medical condition going on that you're too shy to tell us about? If you do, I apologize for asking.

I think (if you're well) you should have a good talk with your "juice lady": she seems to have another guy.

[ranger]

Why, again, can you not simply post a workout (not a trial by the end of some month)?

Why should I?

I don't train that way.

I don't train by the clock.

I only race by the clock.

Patience, son.

You'll get some fat to chew soon enough.

This is a start, no?

Did this at max drag, without even preparing for it.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury MA USA 7:05.0 RACE

I am prepared for distance trials, so the result should much more impressive, hopefully in line with my 2K goal: 6:16.

ranger

[ranger]

How does an athlete who ergs millions of meters a year EVER get to 17% body fat.

Eating?



Only 1% of 60-year-old males are 10% body fat, and I suspect that almost all of those are short ectomorphs/beanpoles who can't row a lick.

The result is this.

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 60-69 | Current 2010 Season

1 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
2 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
3 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
4 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
4 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
6 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
7 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
8 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE
9 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 7:12.5 RACE
10 Michael Brownjohn 61 Totalfitness4u Essex GBR 7:12.8 RACE

I am not a beanpole and (for whatever reason) have retained all of my youthful strength (and much of my youthful aerobic capacity).

I'm going to pull 6:16 when I am 60.

ranger

[ranger]

17:49 today would be no problem

True.

Today, I was doing a lot of 1:40 @ 32 spm.

When I am fully trained, I'll do 5K at 32 spm.

ranger

[rjw]

No, not at all.

I usually need to lose quite a bit of fat to row as a lightweight, as I did this year.

This year, between October and March, I lost about 20 pounds, bringing my fat down from about 17% to 9%.

About 20 pounds?

It takes quite a while to lose 20 pounds of fat.

You can't do it overnight.

ranger

17% ---> 9% = 8% difference. Even at 165 pounds that explains about 12 pounds (or ~ 15 pounds looking at it from the 190 perspective). What happened to the other 8 (5 pounds)?

Hint: Could it be water loss prior to an even or continual dehydration as a result of cross training?

And, if you are a natural light weight, why do you walk around at 185/190?

[ranger]

A 5K trial is pretty straightforward if you are training at 32 spm.

You just put it on 32 spm and go.

When you are done, you see what the time is.

ranger

[ranger]

No, not at all.

I usually need to lose quite a bit of fat to row as a lightweight, as I did this year.

This year, between October and March, I lost about 20 pounds, bringing my fat down from about 17% to 9%.

About 20 pounds?

It takes quite a while to lose 20 pounds of fat.

You can't do it overnight.

ranger

17% ---> 9% = 8% difference. Even at 165 pounds that explains about 12 pounds (or ~ 15 pounds looking at it from the 190 perspective). What happened to the other 8 (5 pounds)?

Hint: Could it be water loss prior to an even or continual dehydration as a result of cross training?

And, if you are a natural light weight, why do you walk around at 185/190?

O.K.

15 pounds

I just estimated the poundage.

Still, losing 15 pounds of fat in 6 months is a pretty fast weight loss, especially if you weren't very fat to begin with.

17% fat is not hugely overweight at all.

175 lbs. down to 160 lbs.

Heck, my brother and I used to be the same weight (165 lbs.), e.g., back in college and graduate school, and for the last decade or so, he has been 215 lbs.

That's 30% fat.

As it turns out, 50% of 60-year-old men are at least 25% fat.

ranger

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[ranger]

if you are a natural light weight, why do you walk around at 185/190?

Eating?



10% body fat is pretty lean for a 60-year-old with significant muscle bulk.

It is harder to maintain that lean muscle mass when you are 60.

You know I am 60, right?

Sure, I had no problem being 160 lbs. when I was 20 years old.

I am now four decades older.

Do you know any 60-year-old English professors who are 10% body fat but still strong enough to pull a lwt 6:28 2K on the erg when they were 52?

ranger

[heptasyllabic]

You know I am 60, right?

Your signature says you're 59. Your records say you're 59. You know you're 59, right?

[ranger]

You know I am 60, right?

Your signature says you're 59. Your records say you're 59. You know you're 59, right?

59.25 now

So, rounding up, that makes me 100.



ranger

[rjw]

You know I am 60, right?

No, I wasn't aware of that

Do you know any 60-year-old English professors who are 10% body fat but still strong enough to pull a lwt 6:28 2K on the erg when they were 52?

You do have a way with words!

[ranger]

pathetic!

No, just good training, training that is resisting social pressures and certain rowing traditions, which are irrelevant for my purposes.

It seems to me more and more that both standard training plans and individual coaching advice in rowing are strongly influenced by what rowing coaches must do in order to field a fleet of competent boats on short notice for a whole season of weekly regattas--train to race, do it fast, be intense, do the same thing that others are doing, do what has always been done, do it now: when possible, row, row, row; don't do anything else.

Etc.

For me, this concern is irrelevant.

ranger