The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

1:40 @ 31 spm (6K)
1:39 @ 32 spm (5K)
1:38 @ 33 spm (4K)
1:37 @ 34 spm (3.5K)
1:36 @ 35 spm (3K)
1:35 @ 36 spm (2.5K)
1:34 @ 37 spm (2K)

I am now locked into these rates and paces.

_Very_ comfortable stuff.

11.5 SPI, give or take.

A 20min 6K @ 31 spm would be especially pleasing.

Given my age and weight, that would string together three WR 2Ks, no rest.

It appears that the best lightweight 6K this year is about 1:47.

My pb is 1:44.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 6000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (57–70) | Current 2010 Season

gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 22:13.7 IND
1 Bob Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 22:25.7 IND_V
Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 22:34.9 IND
2 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 22:35.7 RACE
4 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 22:35.8 IND
5 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 22:37.2 IND_V
6 Greg Hodge 63 Traverse City MI USA 22:51.8 IND_V
7 Joe Keating 60 London IRL 22:53.6 C2Log
8 Rob Codling 61 Berkhamsted GBR 22:59.5 IND
9 Rob Drury 62 Maidstone Kent GBR 22:59.7 C2Log
10 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 23:12.0 IND

It seems that Mike VB can't even beat the 60-year-olds, but perhaps Mike's 6K time here was just an easy paddle that he decided to rank.

Let's hope so!

At 11.5 SPI, Mike's 1:49 or so for 6K is about 23 spm.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I'm glancing in the rankings this morning before work. Still no 60' piece by ranger.
I wonder why since he feels weight is not an issue.

[ranger]

I'm glancing in the rankings this morning before work. Still no 60' piece by ranger.
I wonder why since he feels weight is not an issue.

I'm still just training (and working).

Classes are over Tuesday.

Then I will get in some trials.

My distance rowing is coming along _very_ nicely.

Funds have arrived for my new Fluid, so now I can order it.

My Peinert is also up and running again.

So I'll be out OTW, too.

Nice and warm this spring in Ann Arbor.

It is supposed to be 80 degrees F. today!

Nice.

ranger

[ranger]

This is interesting, given my goals for 6K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 6000m | Men's | Lightweight | All Ages | Current 2010 Season

Andreas Ramstad 24 NOR 20:00.0 IND
Vince Kuperavage 20 Port Carbon PA USA 20:24.0 IND
Sean Wolf 39 Boston MA USA 20:24.4 IND
1 kristjan joubert 21 Montréal QC CAN 20:25.0 IND
2 Alex Twist 24 Seattle WA USA 20:27.5 IND
3 Chris Kemp 20 Evans GA USA 20:28.8 IND
4 Sam Cunningham 23 Philadelphia PA USA 20:29.5 IND
5 Travis King 21 St. Catharines ON CAN 20:34.2 IND
6 Dan Lebl 24 Oakville CAN 20:35.1 IND
7 Joshua Konieczny 18 Millbury OH USA 20:35.3 IND
8 Marc Verkuyl 18 Maple Bay/ Victoria BC CAN 20:54.0 IND
9 Evan Yates 20 San Francisco CA USA 20:54.3 IND
10 Tobin McGee 21 Rye NY USA 20:58.4 IND

A 20min 6K would equal the best lightweight 2K of the year, as far as the rankings go.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I'm glancing in the rankings this morning before work. Still no 60' piece by ranger.
I wonder why since he feels weight is not an issue.

I'm still just training (and working).

Classes are over Tuesday.

Then I will get in some trials.

My distance rowing is coming along _very_ nicely.

ranger

Work loads can be tough at the end of the year. That makes sense.
Must be hard to find a solid hour and a half to devote to pulling an erg piece....

I guess I' had better get my act together to get ready to respond to all you 11th hour additions in the distance rowing rankings.... What's your weight when you get up each day (before you work out)? Mine's 162 lbs...
Caring... and Sharing!

[ranger]

As I mentioned, at a lower drag (135 df.), I am getting great length on my distance stroke.

I now get the seat six inches from front stops on each stroke.

Big legs on each stroke.

_Very_ different from how I used to row.

The difference is about 2 SPI more stroking power, due mostly, I think, to 25 newtons more peak pressure, because of the more effective use of my legs.

I used to get about 90 Newton peak pressure.

I now get 115.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Work loads can be tough at the end of the year. That makes sense.
Must be hard to find a solid hour and a half to devote to pulling an erg piece....

Not if he stepped away from the keyboard

The Cureton household must appear very odd by night. All is quiet but for the incessant tapping from a basement keyboard. Mrs Ranger is fast asleep while, during the small hours, the crazed visage of our hero is dimly lit by the monitor as he slavers over the rapidly changing 59-70 lwt indoor rowing rankings. Who's up? Who's down? Who's on first? Who's on first?

What does Mrs Ranger think her husband is doing all hours?

[ausrwr]

This is interesting, given my goals for 6K.A 20min 6K would equal the best lightweight 2K of the year, as far as the rankings go.

ranger

Your GOALS?

How about you just devote half an hour to doing a 6k instead of just blathering? Hell, you could just roll one out at 1:50 pace to show you can get near Mike.

But you won't. You won't do a 20 min 6k. Not this year, not any year, not ever. Your erg may do a 20 min 6k if you put it in the back of your car and drive around for a bit, but otherwise?

Not before hell freezes over.

[ranger]

If you could choose otherwise, why in the world would you want to race 6K at 23 spm?

That's "low rate" rowing.

Level 4, "foundational" rowing.

6K is a middle distance race.

If you are not entirely disabled, for a quality lightweight, the rate should be 30-32 spm.

Heck, in a race, even big heavyweights might want to rate 30-32 for 6K.

The best boats at the Head of the Charles rate 32 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

How about you just devote half an hour to doing a 6k

Why race when you can train?

At this point, a couple of hours working with 1:43 @ 29 spm is _much_ more productive than 20min, 1:40 @ 31 spm.

The former prepares you for the latter, not vice versa.

ranger

[lancs]

1:40 @ 31 spm (6K)

Please do post the screen shot of how far you get with this before the handle drops down..

.. my guess would be somewhere around the 1600m mark..

So some posted (hwt) trials from next Tuesday then? I'll be sure to keep a look out for these..

[ranger]

Mike--

Could you explain to us all why you choose to race 6K at 23 spm?

That's a pretty bizarre choice, no?

Do you do it in order to "let the wheel spin."

Or do you do it so that you can eat lunch between strokes?



ranger

[ausrwr]

Rich, if you're doing as much training as you claim to be, it'd be a worry if you couldn't just set 6k on the clock, and paddle it in. You wouldn't need to race it.

You'd still go fast, wouldn't you?

And if your OTW was as good as you claim, you could just turn up and race. If you could get down the course at xx spm.

You'd still go fast, wouldn't you?

Oh no, you won't. To either of them.

You won't post a time for a 6k because it won't meet the standards you unrealistically think you can do.
You won't race on the water as soon as you have paddled next to anyone because you'll be cruelly shown the reality of your quest for mad stroke ratings.

I'd be reasonably confident that I could get in a single tomorrow, row down the course at 16 to 18, and beat you at any rate you choose. I haven't been in a single for 5 months. I've sculled for as many years as you.

Differences?
a) I'm younger and stronger and taller than you. That's a given we can't change.
b) I've had fantastic coaches and try to listen to them to improve. I may have driven all of them to screaming pitch at different times though.
c) I worked out long ago that splashing water around doesn't make you go fast. Think of the guy down at the pool thrashing his arms and legs and taking loads of strokes. Then think of the one who's just rolling the arms over, making no noise or splash, and getting down to about 25 or 26 strokes for 50 metres.

Which one would you prefer?

[PaulH]

How about you just devote half an hour to doing a 6k

Why race when you can train?

At this point, a couple of hours working with 1:43 @ 29 spm is _much_ more productive than 20min, 1:40 @ 31 spm.

The former prepares you for the latter, not vice versa.

ranger

So you agree that you're not yet ready to do the latter piece then? Interesting...

[ranger]

So you agree that you're not yet ready to do the latter piece then?

Got me.

I'll have to see when I do it.

Nothing wrong with training, though.

And it's sure better for you, overall, than racing.

20:00 for 6K by a 60-year-old lightweight?

Best 6K of the year by a lightweight of any age?

I would think the more training, the merrier, if that's your goal.

The 60s heavyweight WR for 6K is 21:04 (1:46).

The 60s lightweight WR for 6K is 21:49 (1:50).

My pb is 1:44.

ranger