Ranger's training thread

[chgoss]

BTW, over the next six weeks, I will time myself on the Head of the Grand course a dozen times or so.
If I do better than 2:05 pace for the 4K, it really won't be to my advantage to look to Mike for advice on my rowing.
Why?
Because I will already be as good as he is.
To do 2:05 pace, I'll only have to rate 25 spm.
ranger

o.k., o.k.
No more "intentions," or promises.
I'll just show up and row at BIRC and WIRC.
See you there!
ranger

lol...

[whp4]

Commenting on a three-year-old video, as he has just done, though, is irrelevant.

For a beginner, three years of sculling includes a lifetime of discoveries about how to move a boat.

You had already been a "beginner" for 4 years by the time that video was made. Everything you were doing wrong in that video is a well-ingrained bad habit by now. This is just like your miraculous new stroke that you gin up overnight after the old "fixed" one fails you after years of preparation.

The only discovery you've made about how to move the boat effectively was when you figured out how to get it up on your car

[mikvan52]

I guess what is really going on here is that R. Cureton (ranger) wants to be considered the best at "all things rowing" w/o having to actually show up and race against anyone or record the complete details of any workout..
Pretty darn funny, RIch, when you think about it!

Everything by ranger is seen through a filter of the past or the future... never today.

Stand on a scale today and get your weight? ... No.... Next week!
Row any 2k today? ... No!.... Wait til I'm "fully trained" and "hard sharpened"...
Count how many strokes you did at 2:05 pace?... Wait until next summer!...

And this is a "training thread" ! (?)


It's a hide from the light of day thread!

"Just wait!"
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Isn't "Ok" Oklahoma

and you know what comes out of Oklahoma!

1 of my favorite clips:

“only two things come out of Oklahoma: steers and queers… and I don’t see any horns”

Will we see you in "OK-City" next year (that's where masters nationals will be)???

No! "wait til; I learn to row"....

[ranger]

No! "wait til; I learn to row

Indeed, you had to learn to row once, too.

That a coach would assume something else is an embarrassment.

I am getting better and better OTW.

And better, and better, and better.

That's what learning is all about.

ranger

[ranger]

Will we see you in "OK-City" next year (that's where masters nationals will be)???

Sure.

But we won't be in the same age divisions.

You're just a youngster.

I will row in the F division.

ranger

[rjw]

You certainly have ZERO proof of this.

No, _you_ have zero proof of this.

I have all the proof in the world--every day.

I do at least 10K of rowing a day, 1:49 @ 22 spm .

ranger

.....and what would the elapsed time be for this? Certainly not 36:30 as this would be rowing withOUT breaks. Your statement implies that you do this in one continuous effort but in fact, this is done by rowing with breaks if done at all.

So, seeing as you do this everyday, just go to the memory on the PM4, take a picture and post it.

Didn't think so!

[ranger]

.....and what would the elapsed time be for this? Certainly not 36:30 as this would be rowing withOUT breaks. Your statement implies that you do this in one continuous effort

It doesn't matter how you do UT2 work.

Do it however you want.

You certainly don't need to do it as a timed "piece."

Sure, I could do it as one continuous effort.

But you don't need to.

It is just easy rowing, warm up, etc.

It does indeed make a difference, though, whether you row 1:59 @ 22 spm when you warm up or 1:49 @ 22 spm.

You need to know where you stand, as I do.

Your easy rowing gives you your natural stroking power, how much work you get done on each stroke, just taking it easy.

When you raise the rate and work harder, you use the same stroke.

1:49 @ 22 spm is about 12.5 SPI.

So, when I lift the rate to 30 spm, I do 1:38.

At 34 spm, I do 1:34.

ranger

[rjw]

.....and what would the elapsed time be for this? Certainly not 36:30 as this would be rowing withOUT breaks. Your statement implies that you do this in one continuous effort

It doesn't matter how you do UT2 work.

Do it however you want.

You certainly don't need to do it as a timed "piece."

Sure, I could do it as one continuous effort.

But you don't need to.

Read the literature. Simply put, you are wrong!

[aharmer]

Sorry to see you were lying all along about your September 1st 2k. Now you can string everybody along for another 3 months until you bail on the next event. I've realized this is just a game you play and has nothing to do with your training anyway so I'll play along.

On your 10k at 1:49/22 that you do every day, you claim your HR stays at a very low 155. Very comfortable, no fatigue of any kind to speak of. So why are there breaks? What events lead to a break? Do you get bored every 5 minutes? Do you think of another lie for this message board and simply must post it right then so you break? Do you take a few swigs of gin?

There is absolutely no reason to take all these silly breaks if the pace and rate are as easy and comfortable as you claim.

The funny thing is there is no answer. You don't actually do any of this stuff you talk about, it's just a game to see how many lies you can tell and somehow slither out from underneath them with more lies. As long as we keep responding you'll keep lying. It's fun.

Maybe Byron can pull up the archives, but on multiple occasions you told people to 'just wait until September 1st to see how good I am'. Well, on September 1st I don't see how good you are but now you're telling us to wait 3 more months to see how good you are. Then it'll be 6 months.

I think it's wildly entertaining just to see how many times you get caught in a lie and simply ignore it and move on to another lie. If I want to discuss actual erging I'll seek real people with real training. You are nothing more than a caricature of yourself but it entertains me.

[lancs]

You are nothing more than a caricature of yourself but it entertains me.

He/it/this intrigues me too, for some odd reason. I do enjoy reading his daily lie-fest which is a little sad on my part I have to say.

Some things that I often wonder about the Prof:

a) When will it all end? I mean, really. When will his non-stop lying and grandiose predictions come to an end. I actually think he'll keep harping on about the 6:16 for some years yet. This year for example, I'm guessing he will show up at BIRC, pull a 6:44 or so, not turn up at WIRC (again) and pull some minor races in the middle of nowhere at a 'lwt' weight of 78kg or so. At some point however, he presumably has to put his hands up and admit he's talking rubbish.

b) What is the stimulus for his lying? Is it merely the fact that he does have some personality disorder, or a syndrome such as Asperger's or is it something more than that? Who is he trying to impress with this nonsense? I mean take the FM @1:49 rubbish. He can't even do a quarter of the distance at that pace and rate. Not even a quarter!.

Anyway, I've no doubt we can look forward to another year of bullshit from the man himself and I'm looking forward to this year's excuse for his no-show at BIRC. How many years can you blame the weather?!

[jliddil]

a) When will it all end? I mean, really. When will his non-stop lying and grandiose predictions come to an end.

When you might ask? Ranger was quoted as saying "When you take the keyboard from dead cold hands"

[mrfit]

I'm thinking it all ends when he starts to sharpen.

The UT2 at 1:48 (sometimes 1:49) pronouncement as the precursor to the 6:16 row is about 2 years old now. "My ship has come in", I think he called it in 2008. Recent postings suggest he has arrived at this indicator (yet again??) and although he is links this self-realized (there is no record of HR and pace over a hour, etc") accomplishment to 6:16 capabilities I think even he admits there is something of a "sharpening" phase to move through in order to actualize this. I'm not exactly sure why the sharpening is unreported year after year despite the many (possibly thousands) positive self-assessments, but it is. My guess is that it would end "ranger". I mean, what would we have?

What I like to read is the avoidance of the sharpening as my own interpretation of a man who can not let go of an creative Internet personality, one of which has a 7 year long hallmark identifier of suggesting an upcoming row and then not doing it. It's like Lucy and Charlie Brown. I mean does anyone think she's going to let him kick that football? If she does, who is Lucy?..who is Charlie Brown then? Similarly, it would be like Don Quixote actually rescuing his maiden, or in popular TV, can you imagine Klinger actually getting the discharge from the Army for dressing like a woman?

"ranger" sharpening? Never going to happen. The entertainment would end. I'd be done anyway...

Am I wrong? I log on to see the results of my hypothesis, strangely. Don't we all get caught up waiting to see if Charlie Brown is going the kick the football, despite the total impossibility? (chances made even "less than zero" by the passing of Mr Shultz?)

Fooled again. Ha Ha Ha.

[macroth]

Just to continue off the last few posts, I think it will end if and when people no longer pay attention. How many days did ranger last hiding on his C2 UK blog this summer? Not even a week? There's nothing he needs more than the constant back and forth here. He'll take the abuse and dish it out because this is the most recognition he's ever had in any field, let alone for his erging accomplishments. Like mrfit said, it's a character he can't let go of. He's making his mark in history and our collective consciousness here, on this forum, not in the record books.

Speaking of which, BIRC is ranger's last chance of getting the 55-59 lwt record. He's been hiding behind his "improving my stroke/training for 6:16" bullshit for 5 years now. If he does what he needs to do over the next few months, I think he has a fighting chance. Some real sharpening instad of his precious AT RWB routine might give him the 3-4 seconds he was missing last year. In any case, there's a decent chance he'll snag the 60-65 lwt WR over the winter. Of course, if he does either, it will be "withough even preparing for it" and we'll be in for at least 5 more years of 6:16 fantasies.

However, if he can't row under 6:42 in 2010-2011, maybe everybody's interest will wane. I for one am interested to see if he can row sub 6:40 within the next year or so. It would be a nice accomplishment and it's within reasonable reach for him. ranger is a gifted erger who needs to overcome various psychological issues to perform at his best. And he needs to perform at his best very soon. If he can't, there's nothing left to discuss, is there? At least until 2015 and a hypothetical sub-7 2K.

[ranger]

For me, I think, perfect rowing at moderate rates, on and off season, would be 2:00 @ 25 spm (10 MPS, 8 SPI) OTW and 1:43 @ 25 spm (13 SPI) on the erg.

The difference is seventeen seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

.....and what would the elapsed time be for this? Certainly not 36:30 as this would be rowing withOUT breaks. Your statement implies that you do this in one continuous effort

It doesn't matter how you do UT2 work.

Do it however you want.

You certainly don't need to do it as a timed "piece."

Sure, I could do it as one continuous effort.

But you don't need to.

Read the literature. Simply put, you are wrong!

Clearly, the "literature" about training for rowing just makes veteran rowers worse and worse.

Following the "literature" about rowing to the letter, the normal age-group rower just gets slower, and slower, and slower, until they can barely row at all.

The normal 60s lwt pulls 9 SPI.

You can't go anywhere very fast in a 2K pulling 9 SPI.

You have to do 40 spm to do 1:39.

Your rowing is ineffective.

So when you raise the rate to race, your rowing is inefficient.

Clearly, the "literature" on rowing, then, is something for veteran rowers to avoid.

Followed to the letter, it just makes them bad.

And then worse.

With few exceptions, the normal 60s rower is a minute slower over 2K than the normal 20s rower.

I am trying to reduce that by 2/3 to twenty seconds.

How?

By pulling 13 SPI for 2K when I am 60 years old, rather than 9 SPI.

Relative to the norm for my age and weight, I am now using a stroke that is 50% more effective.

ranger