Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

You also pause at the release

Nope.

OTW, I am _very_ quick with my hands at the finish.

Great momentum.

I do the same rate and pace combinations that you do.

ranger

[ranger]

Just look at the way your hands have to go over your knees on the recovery Your blade would be forced into the water... on the recovery...

Nope.

OTW, my blades are just fine on the recovery.

ranger

[lancs]

My UT work is now done.

I now do 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2.

So how come you can't pull a 10k at that pace and rate?

[mikvan52]

Here's yet another bogus idea:
"Even at 18 seconds per 500m over erg times, 2:10 @ 22 spm is like 1:52 @ 22 spm on the erg.

(snip)

I am now doing 1:49 @ 22 spm on the erg, sometimes getting to as fast as 1:46.

Excuse me, but that is stroking _very_ well."

The writer (as opposed to "the doer") fails to realize that there is only marginal equivalence between erg scores and OTW times.
The major mistake people make when they try to cross over from the erg to the water is to assume that with each second per 500m they gain on the erg that there will be an equal gain on the water....

How do I know this... I'm a coach. I see what my kids do and can compare reams of stats.
Also, I'm an erg and otw competitor who tried the ranger approach personally a ways back. It did not work

In my own case: I'm slowing down on the erg but am still getting faster on the water... Hard to explain using ranger-wok logic...

Rich: I'm unbeaten in all 9 otw 1ks I've sculled in National competition 1x races in the last two years... I think it would be wise to listen to me on this one...
You might well point out that I have not won the premier head race (4800m) yet... But that has more to do with age as the age group there is five years longer [ (50-59) vs the (55-59) for 1k ]

[ranger]

While I am doing my AT work, I'll just keep doing 1:49 @ 22 spm in the background--as a warm up.

I like to do about 10K @ 22 spm before I feel totally warmed up and ready to do some faster rowing.

As long as the weather permits, I'll also do most of my rowing OTW at about 22 spm, whatever that comes out to in terms of pace.

So, during sharpening, I'll be doing at least 75% of meters at 22 spm while I am doing my faster rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich: I'm unbeaten in all 9 otw 1ks I've sculled in National competition 1x races in the last two years... I think it would be wise to listen to me on this one...

Not if I can beat you.



ranger

[ranger]

My UT work is now done.

I now do 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2.

So how come you can't pull a 10k at that pace and rate?

I can pull a FM at that rate and pace.

Rowing 1:49 @ 22 spm, my HR is steady state, 155 bpm.

75% HRR

118 df.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You also pause at the release

Nope.

OTW, I am _very_ quick with my hands at the finish.

Great momentum.

I do the same rate and pace combinations that you do.

ranger

Rich:
You're otw video has shown your old Peinert "porpoise-ing" (rocking stem to stern in a regular motion).
Perhaps you've corrected this. You blurted out this summer that new video was to be forthcoming....
Well?

Rate and pace combinations (on your side) are posted in the following format.

"lots of "
HOW would any critical reader characterize that?

Your body weight drops down on the seat at your release. This is of no consequence on the erg. On the water...the MOMENTUM is killed as the hull goes down in the water and has to spring back.



btw: the pause at the release is more prominent in this video.

Rich: You are an extremely fit athlete of nearly incomparable strength... But to translate such power into boat speed will take more than hype or a WR erg score..

Call me a fool... but the erg community needs to know this should any want to avoid mistakes should some try to make a transition to the water. Most specifically: The erg is not the complete story for OTW prowess.

You, my friend, are not an authority on this.
I, OTOH, am outspoken on this and have some experience with some success.

Any smoke you blow about keeping up with me OTW is "to laugh" at this stage in your OTW progress.. This is not to say you cannot get faster or that the gap won't close between us... I wish you success in all endeavors...
Yet I continue to wonder what you don't post evidence of your progress... "Lots of" doesn't do this...

[lancs]

My UT work is now done.

I now do 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2.

So how come you can't pull a 10k at that pace and rate?

I can pull a FM at that rate and pace.

Now that is funny.

No, you most definitely cannot. As I say, you cannot do the 10k in that manner...

[ranger]

I'm slowing down on the erg

Yes, you are.

This year, you won't come within 30 seconds of my 2K time OTErg.

ranger

[Citroen]

My UT work is now done.

I now do 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2.

So how come you can't pull a 10k at that pace and rate?

I can pull a FM at that rate and pace.

Go on then. Row an FM and log it IND_V. I'm looking for a 2hr33:18.5 or better result.

No, wait,...

You CAN'T do that, you stupid, moronic, lying, fraudster.

[rjw]

My UT work is now done.

I now do 1:49 @ 22 spm at UT2.

So how come you can't pull a 10k at that pace and rate?

I can pull a FM at that rate and pace.

Rowing 1:49 @ 22 spm, my HR is steady state, 155 bpm.

75% HRR

118 df.

ranger

You certainly have ZERO proof of this. Another good one is that this is UT2 pace

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

[ranger]

Wind from the SE at 15 mph, so I went down to Ellison Bay, WI, to find a lee shore.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safa ... CBwQ8gEwAA

Great stuff.

Perfect.

Put in 10K OTW, after 15K on the erg.

Gorgeous up here in Door County, WI.

65 degrees F., partly cloudy skies.

ranger

[Steve G]

Worthless piece of crap, if i say I will do something I would at least attempt it, another dns Rich.

That is why you are unsuccessful as a rower, and I am successful.

ranger

Rich
The erg was always a second sport to me behind running, it is now a distant 3rd behind running and cycling.
I think I did reasonably well including a Bronze at BIRC in your age group when you sat spectating after warming up.
Quick work out of watts/time gives me equal to you (5watts per kg), I weighed in at 63 kgs as a 50+, not a lardy 75kgs, you also had a big height advantage, so all in all I could say I beat you.

[ranger]

You're otw video has shown your old Peinert "porpoise-ing" (rocking stem to stern in a regular motion).
Perhaps you've corrected this.

The video you refer to is almost three years old.

Perhaps I have corrected it?

Yes.

No stem to stern rocking.

I have changed the inboard of my oars, which helped a lot.

I have lost the gloves used to have to wear, because on my death grip on the oars.

I now row at full slide, getting much further forward at the catch.

I have changed my catch timing, relaxing my shoulders instead of pulling too early with my arms.

I have a more upright posture.

I delay my back more effectively, until my legs are almost done.

My rowing OTErg has been transformed, too

I now row at 118 df. on the erg, instead of max drag, and so now do a good OTW stroke OTErg, too.

Etc.

My Fluid now sings, and I enjoy watching the parade of bubbles off my stern.

When I am rowing well OTW, I now do 7.7 SPI OTW (2:00 @ 26 SPM, etc.).

That is just fine, thanks.

ranger