The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

Mike--

When I come out to row on the Connecticut River June 15th to June 30th, I'll be here.

http://www.jacobsbrookcampground.com/ca ... ities.html

Looks fine for my purposes.

ranger

[ranger]

If I indeed get so that I can rate a minimum of 32 spm for all of my distance erging, holding my technique together, rowing well, I don't see any reason why I couldn't do the same OTW.

That would be ideal, e.g., for the Head of the Charles.

As far as I can tell right now, the two (rowing on the erg, rowing OTW) feel the same in terms of effort, etc.

ranger

[mrfit]

Ranger's Ranking distance countdown:
Days down: 24
Days to go: 25
Rows ranked: 0

[hjs]

Ranger's Ranking distance countdown:
Days down: 24
Days to go: 25
Rows ranked: 0

Days counting Ranger did not pay his debts:

340

[ranger]

a closer campground is:

http://www.campvermont.com/html/cgs/cen ... tnnest.htm

It has WIFI ... You can keep your thread going

Silly me.

Didn't even think about keeping this thread going.

Thought I might like to stay in closer contact with my wife and family back home: I can send pictures, etc.

ranger

[ausrwr]

If I indeed get so that I can rate a minimum of 32 spm for all of my distance erging, holding my technique together, rowing well, I don't see any reason why I couldn't do the same OTW.

That would be ideal, e.g., for the Head of the Charles.

As far as I can tell right now, the two (rowing on the erg, rowing OTW) feel the same in terms of effort, etc.

ranger

Because they're different things and your erg stroke won't lead to boatspeed? How about that for a reason.
Or, that you won't do all your distance erging at 32, being as you can't hold it for a 2k?

[ranger]

If I indeed get so that I can rate a minimum of 32 spm for all of my distance erging, holding my technique together, rowing well, I don't see any reason why I couldn't do the same OTW.

That would be ideal, e.g., for the Head of the Charles.

As far as I can tell right now, the two (rowing on the erg, rowing OTW) feel the same in terms of effort, etc.

ranger

Because they're different things and your erg stroke won't lead to boatspeed? How about that for a reason.
Or, that you won't do all your distance erging at 32, being as you can't hold it for a 2k?

I am right on schedule to do 4 x 2K @ 32 spm (1:38).

That predicts my target of 1:34/6:16 for 2K.

Things like 20 x 500 and 4 x 2K will be up next after distance trials.

I suspect the 2Ks I did this winter were not even strong AT rows.

I hadn't even done hard distance rowing, so my HR was not yet up to speed.

I have done a lot of training on these things since them.

I am now getting to 32 spm in my distance rowing.

Back this winter, I wasn't doing much better than 26 spm most of the time.

That's more of a FM/UT2 rate than an AT rate.

My HR is now responding nicely, coming up smoothly and quickly to my anaerobic threshold, 172 bpm.

ranger

[mrfit]

Here's a shot of my threshold HR. Final 30 minutes of a cycling tt around 180 bpm. This HURTS. (My max is 195, age 43).

[PaulH]

I am right on schedule to do 4 x 2K @ 32 spm (1:38).

So when will you do that?

[KevJGK]

I am right on schedule to do 4 x 2K @ 32 spm (1:38).

You really are a complete and utter attention seeking twat!

You cannot get anywhere near 1 x 2K @ 32 spm (1:38) and yet you are right on schedule to do 4 of them?

WTF is wrong with you????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[ranger]

Because they're different things and your erg stroke won't lead to boatspeed?

Sure.

I am missing all sorts of boat speed at the moment.

What beginner doesn't?

If I can rate 32 spm over sustained distances (e.g., 5K), I'll go faster than any other 60s scullers at the moment.

So that seems fine for the moment.

Then, of course, I will continue to work on technique and boatspeed as the years go by and I gain more experience OTW.

I am getting better and better at it.

I was _very_ pleased with my first outing OTW this year.

Everything felt great.

I was holding a nice 2:10 @ 26 SPM.

That fine for an everyday paddle, first time out, for a novice 60-year-old like me.

ranger

[ranger]

Because they're different things and your erg stroke won't lead to boatspeed?

Sure.

I am missing all sorts of boat speed at the moment.

What beginner doesn't?

If I can rate 32 spm over sustained distances (e.g., 5K), I'll go faster than any other 60s scullers at the moment.

So that seems fine for now.

Then, of course, I will continue to work on technique and boatspeed as the years go by and I gain more experience OTW.

I am getting better and better at it.

I was _very_ pleased with my first outing OTW this year.

Everything felt great.

I was holding a nice 2:10 @ 26 SPM.

That fine for an everyday paddle, first time out, for a novice 60-year-old like me.

This last year, only three 60s boats at the Head of the Charles did 2:10 pace for the 4-mile course.

If I can rate 32 spm, I'll do 2:00 pace.

ranger

[whp4]

Because they're different things and your erg stroke won't lead to boatspeed?

Sure.

I am missing all sorts of boat speed at the moment.

What beginner doesn't?

If I can rate 32 spm over sustained distances (e.g., 5K), I'll go faster than any other 60s scullers at the moment.

Your 32 stops per minute isn't going to beat any experienced (read: knows which end of the oar to hold) 60s sculler. One might think that you could figure this out from your previous alleged experience in a canoe, but maybe you never figured it out then, either. Frothing and killing fish doesn't win the race; boat speed and handling does.

[ausrwr]

Rich, just rating doesn't work.

The erg measures how hard you pull, and that's fine.
The boat measures how hard you pull, how well you pull, and how much you stop the boat.
There's heaps of ways to do that. Your erg stroke will lead to almost all of them.

You could rate your age with that stroke and your opposition would still beat you.
Seriously: get some OTW coaching.

[Byron Drachman]

I was _very_ pleased with my first outing OTW this year.
Everything felt great.
I was holding a nice 2:10 @ 26 SPM.

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