6:28 2K

lintonwilson · Post by **lintonwilson** » February 7th, 2010, 3:21 pm

max drag as well

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » February 7th, 2010, 3:22 pm

David
Thanks for the on the spot report, sounds similar to one of his events last season. The thing is will he listen?, no predictive workouts etc, despite always going to do 8 X 500 blah blah.
He can only improve from that time, onward and upwards!

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » February 7th, 2010, 4:16 pm

John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:How would you suggest these time trials be paced, John?

(good to be talking about training again on a training thread)

Would you put them in terms of 2k pace (plus or minus a certain number of seconds, please.

My thought is that the week before a race (in a taper), one should not go into "minus" territory, and just do a couple pacing sessions.
Maybe 2k pace +10 for a 2k. I like the system that you have with yours.

A few relatively hard but sub max time trials, building into them, to recharge and get ready for the race.

Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.

Delusional bullshit.

ranger (and his sycophantic followers) need to put away the happy ever after pills and get real.

1st base: row (and honestly report) an 8 x 500m 3:30 rest workout.

ausrwr · Post by **ausrwr** » February 7th, 2010, 4:22 pm

There will be an interesting return from Ranger after this.
I'll be interested to see what form it takes;
i) Humility / 'I got it wrong';
ii) Excuses / I have no idea what they will be - I think he's used every one in the book; or
iii) Lashing out / 'You're all a$$holes. I'm like xyx...".

Sad to say, I think it will be iii.

Much as I'll give Dr. Cureton credit for sticking to his guns and finishing, if you're in 6:28 form as claimed, and you finish 43 seconds behind that, there are questions that need to be asked.

i) Are the targets at all realistic;
ii) Is he doing the training as claimed and as claimed pace;
iii) Is his head in the right place.

I'd say no to all of those. Rich: I'll be targeting 5:54-56 this year. If I couldn't do 6:39, there would have to be an explanation. Probably involving sickness, loss of limb, whatever.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » February 7th, 2010, 4:52 pm

Roy wrote:Your training shows how you will race.
He rows with breaks( RWB's).

Hi Roy,

I did some drills you suggested once: You do a sequence of 2K's with specified rests between the 2K's, starting out with a pace so many seconds over your best 2K. I think I chose 20 seconds. Then next time you do each 2K in the sequence one second faster. It was the opposite of rowing with breaks. It was a clever idea to approach the 2K from the easier side. It helped get over the fear of doing a 2K but it also cured me of any delusional thoughts of how fast I thought I could do a 2K.

You need to get in an eight a few times this summer, even though you're mostly doing cycling. Then do a little sculling. Don't wait till you retire.

Byron

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 4:54 pm

DavidA wrote:

David!
'fess up, boy! Why are you pretending to post a photo of ranger when this is clearly Elskid Ebbensen, Danish lightweight extraordinaire.

Carl Watts · Post by **Carl Watts** » February 7th, 2010, 5:04 pm

I find some of what has been discussed and the techniques somewhat unusual. Don't get me wrong, I'm no WR rower but I have listened to someone who has done years of compeditive rowing on the water.

I have been told to train and go the fastest sustainable pace you can for the 2K race and if you have any gas left in the tank at the end you can sprint (unlikley in such a short event) but there is no point "stopping" or crashing and burning before the end.

Also I cannot figure out why more people at a top level don't use RowPro to train or compete online with one another, or is it there is just that much hate between various people that this just cannot happen ? or is there just such a lack of trust ( you don't need to be a rocket scientist to modify your Model C to be able to row at a sub 1:30ave/500M all day long) that this is not possible ?

From any casual rowers perspective on this Forum, it looks to be a sad world for anyone in the indoor rowing elite with a thread like this.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » February 7th, 2010, 5:20 pm

mikvan52 wrote:John, You and I seem to agree on what constitutes good training here.

Best of rowing to you. Are you headed to the roads next or will you peak for any particular erg distance in the remaining months of this C2 year?

Mike, that is good to know, and thanks. Best of rowing to you too.

I'm focusing on running, though it's been unintentionally intermittent,
and am thinking of constructing a row>ski conversion or else getting a skierg from c2.

I've not rowed since December, 2008, and don't have any plans to continue with that.

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 5:30 pm

snowleopard wrote:
John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:How would you suggest these time trials be paced, John?

(good to be talking about training again on a training thread)

Would you put them in terms of 2k pace (plus or minus a certain number of seconds, please.

My thought is that the week before a race (in a taper), one should not go into "minus" territory, and just do a couple pacing sessions.
Maybe 2k pace +10 for a 2k. I like the system that you have with yours.

A few relatively hard but sub max time trials, building into them, to recharge and get ready for the race.

Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.
Delusional bullshit.

ranger (and his sycophantic followers) need to put away the happy ever after pills and get real.

1st base: row (and honestly report) an 8 x 500m 3:30 rest workout.

I resemble that remark

Snowleper: Speaking for myself: I don't take Herr sex minuten,acht und Schwanstuke seriously. Do you?

All of us know that ranger's most recent fastest time for 2k is 6:41.0 ... good for 1st place in one cherry-picked year. SO...we can exrtrapolate what his "8 x 500m 3:30 rest is", can't we?

Furthermore:He (and I) are at an age where we get slower... not faster.... Conclusion: No miracle PBs with such a workout...
6:41 may not be as fast as he can go these days but it's as fast as he has gone....

People who have hopes that a 59 year old 5'11'' 170 pounder will indeed pull a 6:28 make ME wonder about human intelligence. That's just part of the attraction of this thread. It's like watching Dumb and Dumber... a movie I cannot sit through in its entirety.

Porky has it right !:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

We now return you to the show that was in progress...

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 5:35 pm

John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:John, You and I seem to agree on what constitutes good training here.

Best of rowing to you. Are you headed to the roads next or will you peak for any particular erg distance in the remaining months of this C2 year?
Mike, that is good to know, and thanks. Best of rowing to you too.

I'm focusing on running, though it's been unintentionally intermittent,
and am thinking of constructing a row>ski conversion or else getting a skierg from c2.

Glad you've got the running. I loved it before knee surgery.

I bought a ski erg for my wife this past Christmas and have even mixed in a few workouts for myself... Great Machine!!!! I've not gotten the hang of it yet but already feel benefits...\\
I'd better cut this exchange off here or we'll be excommunicated from the Church of Ergland...

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » February 7th, 2010, 5:45 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
John Rupp wrote: Maybe 2k pace +10 for a 2k. I like the system that you have with yours.

A few relatively hard but sub max time trials, building into them, to recharge and get ready for the race.

Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.
Delusional bullshit.

ranger (and his sycophantic followers) need to put away the happy ever after pills and get real.

1st base: row (and honestly report) an 8 x 500m 3:30 rest workout.
I resemble that remark

Snowleper: Speaking for myself: I don't take Herr sex minuten,acht und Schwanstuke seriously. Do you?

You were excluded Mike, retained for context

And no I don't, of course. But the Emperor's new clothes is mighty fine

p.s. note to TomR, if you haven't seen the film 'Nine' yet, it's a doozy

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 5:57 pm

snowleopard wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:
snowleopard wrote: Delusional bullshit.

ranger (and his sycophantic followers) need to put away the happy ever after pills and get real.

1st base: row (and honestly report) an 8 x 500m 3:30 rest workout.
I resemble that remark

Snowleper: Speaking for myself: I don't take Herr sex minuten,acht und Schwanstuke seriously. Do you?
You were excluded Mike, retained for context

And no I don't, of course. But the Emperor's new clothes is mighty fine

No offense taken: I saw an opening and went for it... like any good running back on a broken play.

We should watch out though: The season is only half over. Last year was truly astonishing when he rose from similar ashes and logged that 6:41

walterchaos · Post by **walterchaos** » February 7th, 2010, 6:20 pm

snowleopard wrote: 1st base: row (and honestly report) an 8 x 500m 3:30 rest workout.

What is this mania for predictive workouts?

Surely there is no need for a prediction! He just rowed a 7:11 2k! There is no more accurate way to predict a 2k time than doing a 2k!

In ranger's language "the truth machine" is not a prophet but a witness and a scribe. It doesn't predict, it records.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » February 7th, 2010, 6:25 pm

mikvan52 wrote:No offense taken: I saw an opening and went for it... like any good running back on a broken play.

He can't be all bad... after all he wants to give Rich a nice hug.

NavigationHazard · Post by **NavigationHazard** » February 7th, 2010, 6:26 pm

ausrwr wrote: (snip) if you're in 6:28 form as claimed, and you finish 43 seconds behind that, there are questions that need to be asked.

i) Are the targets at all realistic;
ii) Is he doing the training as claimed and a[t]* claimed pace;
iii) Is his head in the right place.

* typo fixed

Don't forget:

iv) shouldn't the weight-loss strategy be rethought....

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