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johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » February 7th, 2010, 1:07 pm

snowleopard wrote:ranger's gonna need a big hug when he gets home

Awww that is very sweet of you, to give him a hug.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » February 7th, 2010, 1:11 pm

Steve G wrote:John
It just seems rather foolish to me, bad preparation = bad race!
If weight is good why row before hand!

I think some shorter time trials and a taper would be better than rowing hard the last few days.

Rich is the one with the WR's though, but not recently.

My idea would be sticking with a series of intermittent short (1k, 1500m, 2k) time trials (not reps) and a taper.

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » February 7th, 2010, 1:14 pm

John Rupp wrote:Rich is the one with the WR's though, but not recently.

Er, yeah, you mean he no longer has any WR's as they have all been broken.

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » February 7th, 2010, 1:17 pm

snowleopard wrote:
John Rupp wrote:Rich is the one with the WR's though, but not recently.
Er, yeah, you mean he no longer has any WR's as they have all been broken.

And not all that recently, either!

tjf0 · Post by **tjf0** » February 7th, 2010, 1:26 pm

Byron Drachman wrote: Typical of Ranger, there is always something wrong. He listed himself as a member of University of Michigan. He is not a member of any rowing club as far as I know. He is not a member of the Varsity Crew or Crew Club at the University of Michigan. He should have listed himself as unaffiliated.

Hi Byron interesting take on this I list myself member of Lehigh University where I have worked for 30 years and row in the gym with other members of the staff and faculty and occasional varsity crew member who sometimes point out our flaws so I do think I am affiliated with Lehigh and I assume Ranger feels the same way... I also am glad to see Ranger is actually going to row...my story for today is nothing like Ranger's I got a time trial for the CrashB's at Villanova today (just me the erg and the varsity crew coach) due to the Philly snow storm and having a time of 7:15 in January...well to make a long story short I pulled a 7:24 so maybe next year.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » February 7th, 2010, 1:36 pm

tjf0 wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote: Typical of Ranger, there is always something wrong. He listed himself as a member of University of Michigan. He is not a member of any rowing club as far as I know. He is not a member of the Varsity Crew or Crew Club at the University of Michigan. He should have listed himself as unaffiliated.
Hi Byron interesting take on this I list myself member of Lehigh University where I have worked for 30 years and row in the gym with other members of the staff and faculty and occasional varsity crew member who sometimes point out our flaws so I do think I am affiliated with Lehigh and I assume Ranger feels the same way... I also am glad to see Ranger is actually going to row...my story for today is nothing like Ranger's I got a time trial for the CrashB's at Villanova today (just me the erg and the varsity crew coach) due to the Philly snow storm and having a time of 7:15 in January...well to make a long story short I pulled a 7:24 so maybe next year.

Hi Tim,

Wow! That is still a good time.

Back to Ranger, there is a very good rowing club in Ann Arbor with some excellent rowers and coaches so he could get some sculling lessons (assuming that he is coachable--I'm not sure about that.) I've seen the AARC at a few regattas and they strike me as a well organized, friendly bunch.

BrianStaff · Post by **BrianStaff** » February 7th, 2010, 1:40 pm

Talking the talk ~ champion!
Balking the balk ~ champion!
Walking the walk ~ failure!

Dict def. of balk: failure of a player to complete a motion

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 1:45 pm

John Rupp wrote:
I think some shorter time trials and a taper would be better than rowing hard the last few days (before a World Championship contest).
(snip)
My idea would be sticking with a series of intermittent short (1k, 1500m, 2k) time trials (not reps) and a taper.

How would you suggest these time trials be paced, John?

(good to be talking about training again on a training thread)

Would you put them in terms of 2k pace (plus or minus a certain number of seconds, please.

My thought is that the week before a race (in a taper), one should not go into "minus" territory, and just do a couple pacing sessions.

I can anticipate, too, what Cureton will say... "I'll just row through Boston and concentrate on the "big" prize... Detroit"

Detroit, Mecca for an erg-ranger

Totally on the level: I can confess that I was hoping he'd focus on Boston for one of his earth years between ages 55-59.... Whoops, I lose again
.

Home of the Crash-B's.... The Agganis Arena, Boston, Mass.

lintonwilson · Post by **lintonwilson** » February 7th, 2010, 2:10 pm

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johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » February 7th, 2010, 2:10 pm

mikvan52 wrote:How would you suggest these time trials be paced, John?

(good to be talking about training again on a training thread)

Would you put them in terms of 2k pace (plus or minus a certain number of seconds, please.

My thought is that the week before a race (in a taper), one should not go into "minus" territory, and just do a couple pacing sessions.

Maybe 2k pace +10 for a 2k. I like the system that you have with yours.

A few relatively hard but sub max time trials, building into them, to recharge and get ready for the race.

Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 7th, 2010, 2:33 pm

John Rupp wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:How would you suggest these time trials be paced, John?

(good to be talking about training again on a training thread)

Would you put them in terms of 2k pace (plus or minus a certain number of seconds, please.

My thought is that the week before a race (in a taper), one should not go into "minus" territory, and just do a couple pacing sessions.
Maybe 2k pace +10 for a 2k. I like the system that you have with yours.

A few relatively hard but sub max time trials, building into them, to recharge and get ready for the race.

Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.

Every finisher is a winner in my book too. I'd guess he went out like a house afire...that hurts!

Yet, I wish he'd quit telling others that they're "no good" or insinuate or just flat out say " you row like (excrement)". He isn't doesn't and they aren't and don't either...

(staying on subject)
Like Rich, I confess I have the temptation to turn a reasonably paced interval workout in the final week before Boston into a "pain fest".

.... No "hurt box" for me in the next few days. (!)

John, You and I seem to agree on what constitutes good training here.

Best of rowing to you. Are you headed to the roads next or will you peak for any particular erg distance in the remaining months of this C2 year?

I'm headed out for a long walk in the hills now. That's my entire workout today

BrianStaff · Post by **BrianStaff** » February 7th, 2010, 2:34 pm

John Rupp wrote:Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.

"kudos" - do you live in that same lofty cloud that he does?

"sticking with it" - apparently, he put the handle down more than once. His plan was all wrong.

"finishing" - there are lightweight women who are faster than that.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » February 7th, 2010, 2:38 pm

BrianStaff wrote:
John Rupp wrote:Kudos to Rich for sticking with it and finishing.
"kudos" - do you live in that same lofty cloud that he does?

"sticking with it" - apparently, he put the handle down more than once. His plan was all wrong.

"finishing" - there are lightweight women who are faster than that.

I would it find also very insulting if someone gave me Kudos for finishing 43 seconds above my target.

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » February 7th, 2010, 2:42 pm

He races as he trains.

Your training shows how you will race.

He row's with breaks( RWB's). So he race's the same way. Simples!

DavidA · Post by **DavidA** » February 7th, 2010, 2:43 pm

Ranger did show.
Ranger did race.
He started off at a fast split time - 1:39.
He was keeping around a 1:40 split, but then all of a sudden dropped to over 2:00. I thought he was going to handle down, but he didn't. He just stopped for a second and took off at again at a similar split time.
In the first 1 km, however, he stopped 3 times.
In the second 2 km he stopped an additional 5 times, including once with less the 100 m left, when I really thought we was going to quit the race. He did start in again and finished the race, in a disappointing, for him, time.

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