6:28 2K

[ranger]

That means you should be able to train yourself to do 1:42 @ 22 spm at UT2, or low UT1, for a FM.

And if you do that, when you are fully trained, you'll pull 5:52 for 2K.

ranger

Strange thing, when I look in the mirror I don,t see a young man but a middle aged one.
Most people know what that means, maybe you don,t have a mirror in your batcave, buy one it will tell you lot's

Sure, what you can do when you are older depends on your physical condition.

But if you stay active, there really isn't much of a decline.

There doesn't need to be any change in weight and skeletal-motor function.

And if kept to a minimum, loss in aerobic capacity is slight. It is only .3 seconds per year over 2K.

In skeletal-muscular terms, I look pretty such the same as I looked when I was 20-exactly the same weight, exactly same strength, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

That means you should be able to train yourself to do 1:42 @ 22 spm at UT2, or low UT1, for a FM.

And if you do that, when you are fully trained, you'll pull 5:52 for 2K.

ranger

Strange thing, when I look in the mirror I don,t see a young man but a middle aged one.
Most people know what that means, maybe you don,t have a mirror in your batcave, buy one it will tell you lot's

Sure, what you can do when you are older depends on your physical condition.

But if you stay active, there really isn't much of a physical decline.

There doesn't need to be any change in weight and skeletal-motor function at all, at least where rowing is concerned.

And if kept to a minimum, loss in aerobic capacity is slight--only .3 seconds per year over 2K.

In skeletal-muscular terms, I look pretty such the same as I looked when I was 20-exactly the same weight, exactly same strength, etc.

A minimal decline in aerobic capacity in the 40 years from when I was 20 to now would be 12 seconds over 2K.

I suspect that's just about what has happened.

ranger

[hjs]

That means you should be able to train yourself to do 1:42 @ 22 spm at UT2, or low UT1, for a FM.

And if you do that, when you are fully trained, you'll pull 5:52 for 2K.

ranger

Strange thing, when I look in the mirror I don,t see a young man but a middle aged one.
Most people know what that means, maybe you don,t have a mirror in your batcave, buy one it will tell you lot's

Sure, what you can do when you are older depends on your physical condition.

But if you stay active, there really isn't much of a physical decline.

ranger

Ranger, I have seen you in the flesh, and I have to be honoust, you are an old man, a fit old man sure , but way beyond your prime.

[ranger]

Strange thing, when I look in the mirror I don,t see a young man but a middle aged one.
Most people know what that means, maybe you don,t have a mirror in your batcave, buy one it will tell you lot's

Sure, what you can do when you are older depends on your physical condition.

But if you stay active, there really isn't much of a physical decline.

ranger

Ranger, I have seen you in the flesh, and I have to be honoust, you are an old man, a fit old man sure , but way beyond your prime.

I didn't say I wasn't an old man.

I said that I was just the same weight and strength that I was when I was 20.

The lwt 6:28 I pulled in 2003, when I was 53, not even knowing how to row, would have placed 15 out 115 in the Open lwt race at WIRC 2009.

I now know how to row.

In general, rowing well vs. rowing like shit is worth about three or four seconds per 500m over 2K.

So, when I am fully trained, given some loss of aerobic capacity, I suspect that I will be about three seconds per 500m better over 2K than I was in 2003.

My physical condition is pretty much the same.

A lwt 6:16 would have placed 5th out of 115 in the Open lwt race at WIRC 2009.

The winning time was 6:14.

That is, a lwt 6:16 at WIRC 2009 would have just missed gold--by one stroke.

ranger

[hjs]

I didn't say I wasn't an old man.

I said that I was just the same weight and strength that I was when I was 20.

ranger

You are proberly right, in your 20 you where a runner, so you where relative pretty weak then. If you rowed in those days you would have been a lot stronger then.

remember, to compare, the conditions have to be equel. IN this case they are clearly not

Although your weight now does fluctuate much more, i don,t think you weight 85 kg plus in those days, like you did the last few season on many occasions.

[Kangaroo]

use my heels in the middle of the drive

Wrong. You don't use your heels ever during the stroke. Hope you confused this with the balls of your feet. If you didn't, you may need to go back to the drawing board with technique.

be quicker with my arms and back on the recovery

(Semi)Wrong. On the erg this doesn't matter. It would be better to rather say "no pause at the finish". Moving your hands and back away quicker just encourages rush on the recovery, unless you are pausing before you swing your body back over. It is meant to be one fluid motion.

Maybe these things are stopping you from a 6:16 or whatever it is you want.

[ranger]

use my heels in the middle of the drive

Wrong. You don't use your heels ever during the stroke. Hope you confused this with the balls of your feet. If you didn't, you may need to go back to the drawing board with technique.

be quicker with my arms and back on the recovery

(Semi)Wrong. On the erg this doesn't matter. It would be better to rather say "no pause at the finish". Moving your hands and back away quicker just encourages rush on the recovery, unless you are pausing before you swing your body back over. It is meant to be one fluid motion.

Maybe these things are stopping you from a 6:16 or whatever it is you want.

Yes, we agree here.

As to heels, I suppose I should have said, "_if_ you use your hells, use them in the middle of the leg drive." But I must admit, I don't use them much at all. I stay on the balls of my feet.

Yes, the finish and recovery you describe is just what I mean--one fluid motion.

Nothing is stopping me from pulling 6:16. I haven't tried yet.

I am doing distance rowing now. When I am done with distance rowing, I will sharpen. Then I will race.

ranger

[KevJGK]

ranger. Are you still saying you expect to row a 6:16 2K?

You really can't at all just pick a 2K time and say "that is my goal; I am going to row this six months from now." What you will row six months from now is really not much up to you, I think; it is up to your body. And in the end, no one, including you, has much knowledge of what your body is capable of, given some training regimen. The only thing you can do is try as hard as you can and see what happens. But the result is probably not going to be something you want to happen. It will just be what happens, period. You can't strong-arm the body into things. It controls this game, not you.

[ranger]

You are proberly right, in your 20 you where a runner, so you where relative pretty weak then.

Sure, I was runner then, and for 30 years after that.

But I wasn't weak.

I was also a swimmer and canoeist--which are upper body, power sports.

My full-body strength hasn't changed much at all over the years.

ranger

[ranger]

ranger. Are you still saying you expect to row a 6:16 2K?

You really can't at all just pick a 2K time and say "that is my goal; I am going to row this six months from now." What you will row six months from now is really not much up to you, I think; it is up to your body. And in the end, no one, including you, has much knowledge of what your body is capable of, given some training regimen. The only thing you can do is try as hard as you can and see what happens. But the result is probably not going to be something you want to happen. It will just be what happens, period. You can't strong-arm the body into things. It controls this game, not you.

I think I will pull 6:16 when I am fully trained.

When do I think I will be fully trained?

This winter, for WIRC.

There is really not much suspense involved in these things, though.

I am doing distance rowing right now.

Whether I can pull 6:16 for 2K will be determined right here, when I do distance trials.

For those with balanced training and abilities, your 2K is only as good as your 60min row.

To pull 6:16/1:34 for 2K, I need to pull 17.3K/1:44 for 60min.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

My pb for 60min is 1:48, so if can do 1:44, that will be a four seconds per 500m improvement.

At the moment, no other 55s lwt, including the 2K WR-holder, can do better than 1:51 for 60min.

(There's that seven seconds per 500m again!).

No 60s lwt has ever pulled 16K/1:52 for 60min.

ranger

[hjs]

You are proberly right, in your 20 you where a runner, so you where relative pretty weak then.

But I wasn't weak.


ranger

I am not saying that, I am saying your were less trained strenght wise then. In your terms, "you were not fully trained"

[ranger]

You are proberly right, in your 20 you where a runner, so you where relative pretty weak then.

But I wasn't weak.


ranger

I am not saying that, I am saying your were less trained strenght wise then. In your terms, "you were not fully trained"

No, I wasn't.

I was just as strong.

My full-body strength hasn't changed much at all over the years.

ranger

[hjs]

No, I wasn't.

I was just as strong.

My full-body strength hasn't changed much at all over the years.

ranger

Nothing Changes in the batt cave, even lying in your coffin you will be just as strong and fit as ever

[Yankeerunner]

No, I wasn't.

I was just as strong.

My full-body strength hasn't changed much at all over the years.

ranger

Nothing Changes in the batt cave, even lying in your coffin you will be just as strong and fit as ever

Must be a direct descendant of the Black Knight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

[ranger]

Nothing Changes in the batt cave

No, your aerobic capacity declines.

Minimally, this slows you down .3 seconds a year over 2K.

ranger