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Post by ranger » November 5th, 2009, 10:04 am

rsieminski wrote:Ranger,
On the top of the video it has the heading "Ranger, 1:36 @ 28 spm (14.3 SPI), 11/23/07" How is this possible, as the entire video from sitting on the erg, rowing, to getting up off of the erg is only 49s long?
Nothing wrong with 49 seconds.

You would prefer 50 seconds, or perhaps 48?

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Post by rsieminski » November 5th, 2009, 12:28 pm

If it was 500m @ 1:36, shouldn't it take you 1:36? Was 1:36 was just the pace?

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Post by DUThomas » November 5th, 2009, 12:47 pm

rsieminski wrote:If it was 500m @ 1:36, shouldn't it take you 1:36?
Common mistake. If you do a couple strokes at 1:36 and feel very strongly that you could have done 500m at that pace, then, no, it's sufficient to row for 40 seconds or so.
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Post by hjs » November 5th, 2009, 12:49 pm

rsieminski wrote:If it was 500m @ 1:36, shouldn't it take you 1:36? Was 1:36 was just the pace?
You have found the key on everything ranger says in one sentence :D

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Post by ranger » November 5th, 2009, 4:00 pm

rsieminski wrote:If it was 500m @ 1:36, shouldn't it take you 1:36? Was 1:36 was just the pace?
Who said it was 500m?

It was just the pace and rate, reading the monitor.

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Post by ranger » November 5th, 2009, 4:02 pm

DUThomas wrote:
rsieminski wrote:If it was 500m @ 1:36, shouldn't it take you 1:36?
Common mistake. If you do a couple strokes at 1:36 and feel very strongly that you could have done 500m at that pace, then, no, it's sufficient to row for 40 seconds or so.
No, not at all.

But it is certainly a start.

If you never row 1:36 @ 28 spm at all, but you want to pull 14 SPI @ 28 spm for 60min, what then?

Much of rowing well involves technical skill and mechanical (skeletal-muscular) habits.

One stroke after another.

Fitness can only get you so far in rowing.

Maybe 30 seconds over 2K from the limits of your potential.

If you never row well, you will never row well.

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Post by rsieminski » November 5th, 2009, 4:46 pm

Gotcha, I still don't know all the syntax of this yet.

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Post by Citroen » November 6th, 2009, 7:27 am

rsieminski wrote:Ranger,
On the top of the video it has the heading "Ranger, 1:36 @ 28 spm (14.3 SPI), 11/23/07" How is this possible, as the entire video from sitting on the erg, rowing, to getting up off of the erg is only 49s long?
Erm, re-read what I wrote earlier.
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rsieminski wrote:Am I understanding this correctly?
Rule #1: ignore everything that Ranger writes when it conflicts wth your empirical observations of your reality.

He isn't a coach, he doesn't know squat about coaching and his nonsense is painted all over this forum where it's regularly decried and disproved by every other member of the forum.
If the stuff that Ranger writes doesn't make sense, step over it, move on to the next reply and ignore his inane nonsense.

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Post by Citroen » November 6th, 2009, 7:30 am

rsieminski wrote:Gotcha, I still don't know all the syntax of this yet.
Read this, it covers a lot of the basics and the syntax http://c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=38

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Post by Kangaroo » November 14th, 2009, 3:26 pm

ranger wrote:
Here's someone rowing well, in fact, better than well, at a pretty high rate (28 spm).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMrkMECldg



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That isn't well?? :/ It's "jerky" and there is no flow. Looks like there is pausing at the finish and you do something funny with your arms after they have straightened out...

OP: I think that the idea that was posted about you putting distance in is a good one, when you are starting out. For the first bit of your programme, in my opinion, it is advisable for someone who is not used to rowing to get his base fitness (long rows) up, while ensuring that the rowing stroke becomes "second nature". It is a great start that you have had someone teach you correct technique.

(I'm basically saying that you should do longer, low rating rows to commit the rowing stroke to muscle memory) - It is like with lifting, you do lighter weights at first and focus on form and ensuring that that is correct, then you can start pushing those weights.

The longer, (technical) rows, also will help you get used to putting on mileage on the erg, which will benefit you in the future. When our juniors ask me how it is possible to spend so much time on the erg (in one session), I tell them to start small and build up from there.

Seeing as you do have a fitness background (sorry I only skimmed through that post where you mentioned lifting), I'd say you could do maybe 25min or 2 x 15min every day, and extending the length of those sessions. But do that on feel, because many people differ, like I could never sit on an erg for long sessions, but I rowed with guys who could sit there for ages and it wouldn't get to them.

I hope this makes sense and that I've put it in order. Just apply what you learned from lifting to rowing, focus on form (technique) and then start moving up.

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