6:28 2K

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » September 23rd, 2009, 3:26 am

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:I don't need to get better
Not a winning attitude.

Embarrassing stuff.

I am surprised to hear it from you.

ranger

Well, I have beaten you every time you turned up to race so what makes you think you'll ever beat me in the future? If you do manage a sub 6.38.1 at weight then I'll get back into serious training.

All you have is what you may do in the future; IF I can do.................. blah, blah, blah.

We've heard it all before, you promised fabulous stuff, and it turned out to be just that------------- fabulous, ie a mirage nothing nada zip bugger all, a dream.

You produced nothing at weight and you never will.

Sir P · Post by **Sir P** » September 23rd, 2009, 4:43 am

Rocket Roy wrote:You produced nothing at weight and you never will.

That's not 100% accurate Roy, he has pulled plenty of crap rows remember the one at WIRC a few years back, he promised a 6:16 and finished with a 7:11, he made more stops that Mr Stoppie on his way to work for the dept of stopping and starting!!

I am still waiting to sh*t those gold bars for you ranger when you do pull a Lwt 6:16 (Like that will be NEVER!)

....and so it goes

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » September 23rd, 2009, 7:02 am

I've got to think this ranger fellow better row that 6:28 this month and be quiet until he does. His "court" appears impatient with all the talk.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 23rd, 2009, 3:48 pm

Rocket Roy wrote:Well, I have beaten you every time you turned up to race

6:27.5, 6:28, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:37, etc.

And now that I know how to row, I am much better than this string of scores--about a dozen seconds better, I think.

We'll soon see.

Investments pay off.

Those who don't invest go broke.

ranger

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » September 23rd, 2009, 8:18 pm

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:Well, I have beaten you every time you turned up to race
6:27.5, 6:28, 6:29, 6:29.7, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:37, etc.

And now that I know how to row, I am much better than this string of scores--about a dozen seconds better, I think.

We'll soon see.

Investments pay off.

Those who don't invest go broke.

ranger

But, as Roy says, every time you show up to race him, he whips you.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 1:07 am

I have close to 20 2Ks faster than Roy has ever rowed.

When I was rowing those 2Ks, Roy was rowing, too, but as a heavyweight.

If he had been rowing against me then, I would have beaten him by 10-30 seconds--every time.

We just weren't in the same races, given that he was carrying around a bunch of lard, rather than getting in shape, as he should have.

Even so, when I rowed these races, and Roy was a lard ball, I wasn't rowing to the limits of my ability.

So, I invested some time and energy in getting better.

My rowing was technically poor.

I needed to learn to row well.

Yes, while I was learning to row properly, and not training to race, Roy beat me a couple of time, rowing 6:45, 17 seconds slower than I have already rowed.

Congratulations to him.

My investment in learning to row well is now coming to completion.

And with great results!

Fully trained, I think I will now pull 6:16 on the erg.

Hell, perhaps it's a nutty thought, but now that I row well, both OTW and off, I think I'll win the HOCR, too!

What then?

Investment pays off.

Those who don't invest go broke.

If Roy continues in the sport, we will be racing against one another for another couple of decades at least, perhaps beyond that.

So, if what you say is right, all Roy has to do is keep showing up and beating me, even when I am fully prepared to race.

Happy to see that happen.

If he can do this, I will be the first to congratulate him.

You can only do your best.

Roy's best time last year was 6:44, not the best time in his age and weight division, but a _very_ respectable effort.

Good luck to him in the future.

When Roy lost the weight and rowed as a lightweight, he didn't get any better at all.

As a heavyweight, he pullled 6:38; and as a lightweight, he pulled 6:38.

If Roy wants to get better, he'll have to invest some time and energy in the project, as I have.

He'll need to learn to row well.

I suspect that means he he'll need to learn to row OTW.

If he does that, all the better.

We can also row against each other for the next couple of decades at HOCR!

ranger

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » September 24th, 2009, 1:23 am

ranger wrote:

Roy's best time last year was 6:44, not the best time in his age and weight division, but a _very_ respectable effort.

ranger

Yes and that was good enough to win the World's so if someone had been there who was faster do you think I couldn't have gone faster? There wasn't and i did enough to win. Why didn't you show again? Was it to avoid the weigh in and pay me the $20 wager that you would have lost? Which you did lose by not turning up and shall i send you my address so you can send the $20 over.
Did you pay Henry yet? After all you can afford it from your fantastic investment portfolio which as you explained to us made a fortune before the crash.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 1:27 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Yes and that was good enough to win the World's so if someone had been there who was faster do you think I couldn't have gone faster?

I haven't trained to race since 2003, although I am now.

I have been investing, rather than spending.

I have been learning to row.

Project complete.

Now, it's time to race again.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 1:28 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Yes

Yes, I have 20 2Ks faster than you have ever rowed, some as much as 10 seconds faster, even though I wasn't even rowing well?

Hmm.

Why is that?

Why can't you row faster?

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 1:49 am

Here's the proposition, Roy.

You should be delighted with it, given that it is a challenge, and hey, what else is there that is interesting to do but accept challenges squarely?

Over the next two years, as I get fully trained, I'll put the 55s and 60s lwt WR down at 6:16.

Then, you will have the rest of your life to try to do better.

Good luck with it.

If you are like me, you will enjoy the process of learning to row.

It takes a while, but the sport is really wonderful, if you take the time and energy to learn to do it right, to the best of your ability.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 2:20 am

Hey, if you're right about being able to beat me, then, of course, we won't just meet in races.

As far as the erg goes, there are also the rankings, etc., at all distances.

For iinstance, to pull 6:16, you'll have to pull 1:44/17.3K for 60min, as I will do along here pretty soon, not 1:51/16.15K

But you won't be able to do this is you only pull 9.5 SPI when you are rowing comfortably at 10MPS, as you do now.

So you have some work to do to get where you need to be--about fiive _years_ of work, if you are like me.

50 million meters?

You need to raise your natural stroking power.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 2:28 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Did you pay Henry yet?

Don't worry about Henry.

He's an upstanding fellow.

He'll pay his debts when they come due.

He'll honor our bet, when I hit my targets.

$2000 is going to come in handy!

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 24th, 2009, 2:54 am

Roy, I suspect your problem with stroking power involves your calves, core, and upper body.

Cure?

Lots of pull ups, sit ups/jackknives, and skipping rope.

1000 sit ups/jackknives a day.

Skipping rope for an hour a day.

200 pull ups a day.

That should help.

No need to do any more of those leg presses.

That's what you are good at already.

There is more to rowing than just big hams and gluts.

Rowing isn't biking.

To get better, you need to work on your weaknesses.

That's what I did for a decade or so.

To row well, as a force curve, you need to get 120SLD45.

120 kgs. of peak pressure and then a smooth decline at a 45 degree angle to the baseline.

Post a digiipic of your force curve now.

Let's see how you are doing.

ranger

ausrwr · Post by **ausrwr** » September 24th, 2009, 4:07 am

You won't go under 6:30 at the end of the month (what, six days to go?) at any weight.

You will never do 6:16 "fully trained" or otherwise.

You won't do your predictor sessions.

You won't pay Henry.

You won't pay Roy.

You won't train five hours a day.

If you could, you'd be falling over yourself to do so and to post evidence.

What you will do is to make more ambit claims about how good you are and how bad you were.

You will tell us you have improved.

You will denigrate the efforts of everyone else.

You will say that National Teams and their coaches don't know how to train.

You will say that rowing is an art.

You will continue to believe that an erg cares how you row it.

You will continue to believe that on-water rowing is easy and that when you deign to race, you will win easily.

You will exaggerate how good you were and how good you are.

You will hold others to a standard of proof you have no interest in adhering to yourself.

Stuff this, I'm going back to the UK forum where I can't hear your crap. I'm sure someone'll notify me if you actually do anything other than beat away at a keyboard.

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » September 24th, 2009, 8:20 am

ranger wrote:I haven't trained to race since 2003, although I am now.

I have been investing, rather than spending.

I have been learning to row.

Project complete.

Now, it's time to race again.

ranger

You've repeated this lie so often that some people might actually have come to believe it's true.

Year after year you claimed ad nauseam that your training was aimed at the racing season, right on target, 6:16 in the scopes, project complete, blah blah blah, then failed utterly -- never coming remotely near your goals, getting whipped by Roy, failing to show at the major races, spitting the bit numerous times ...

Given that, you created this myth that you haven't trained to race since 2003, as though saying it makes it true.

It's a lie, which can be verified in the archives, should anyone care to check.

You're a repulsive, shameless wretch.